Not sure if releasing it for regular shops suddenly makes Homey Pro (early 2023) fully stable 
It already released for early access users when it was far far away from stable enough for that.
On their own site it is also already âorder now, receive in 1-2 weeksâ, so even if 1 month is still âfarâ away, donât expect that to be the line for a âfinal versionâ in any way.
We are really only discussing first public software release 10.0.1.
Then development continue obviously.
But until release date there will probably be no shipping from regular shops?
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No offence, but just:
No one here knows what Athom knows? â https://homey.app/support (thereâs a 2 week waiting time atm)
In that case itâs better to not buy a homey at all 
Development is going awfully slow, and âofficial appsâ like the Ikea app that is maintained by Athom are everything but official and updated when a developer has some time left on a Friday afternoon (and thatâs basically never).
I switched back to my Home Assistant setup as my main system because i had enough of the zigbee support or better said the lack of zigbee support the Homey Pro has. On paper itâs a great product, in reality itâs far from stable.
So itâs demoted to âhobby bob projectâ here. Havenât sold it yet but Athom needs to step up their game when it comes development.
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nevermind
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I donât want to offend anyone, but sometimes the problem is in front of the screen.
Homey early 19, Homey early 23 and Home Assistant run completely stable and reliable as a connected symbiosis. I have no problems with Zwave, Zigbee or any other wireless protocol.
If Athom today calls early 23 stable, I can confirm that.
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Ofcourse, youâre right, Uwe. Focussed to much on the problem topics, while no-one posts: I have no issues with my fine running Homey. I donât need help
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I canât talk about the earlier Pro models since i havent used them before but after running a Home Assistant setup for the last 5 years with 70+ zigbee devices and a handful of z-wave and 433MHz devices i thought it would be a smart idea to ditch Home Assistant and switch to the new Homey Pro in my new home.
And that was the biggest mistake i ever made. You litterally need an app for everything and even if you limit your choices to the so called official apps that doesnât give you a lot to cheer about.
Those so called âofficial appsâ for example are are anything but official in a lot of cases. The Ikea app for example is marked as official but Ikea doesnât have anything to do with it⌠itâs made by Athom but Athom doesnât want to put a lot of effort in it and it has 0 priority. And instead of opening up the repo so PRâs can be made by community members Athom chooses to keep them private, mark them as official 
And thatâs just a tip of the iceberg and while the hardware is quite ok the software isnât. It is that there are some good 3rd party app developers but if you had to rely on Athom and their official apps only i wouldnât put my hopes on it.
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And you donât need app for integration on HA?
Or what exactly is your concern? I donât get it from your comment.
There are for sure since existing problems, no doubt about that - but I donât see any relevancy from your comment to it 
You mentioned in previous message IKEA - what are you missing or what do you expect?
Btw Iâm using HA as well, seeing some problems not resolved for even more years, soâŚ
No, Home Assistant has support for thousands of devices built-in.
Oh, sorry then, I had to install all my devices via HACS and using none build in then⌠but for data visualisation (FVE), itâs great
Home Assistant has support for a lot of devices built in (like @robertklep already mentioned), unless you use the newest or very exotic zigbee devices most of them are supported and IF you have a device that isnât supported itâs way much easier to get it supported than it is on Homey.
The Ikea app for example. This specific model for example Led-plafondlamp, NYMĂ NE, draadloos dimbaar wit spectrum, 38 cm - IKEA is available for a while but isnât supported. That wouldnât be an issue if the app is build by a 3rd party developer that does all the development on best effort and accepts PRâs for example.
Athom however lists it as an official app developed by Athom itself, you would expect this app would get regular updates and all devices would be supported⌠but none of it is true. Devices are reported incorrectly or not supported at all and if you make a support request at Athom you will get the reply with a statement like âyes itâs an official app but we donât want to spend to much work on it so donât expect anything from usâ. And this is just one example of many.
The setup i have running now with some Hue bulbs only works quite ok (next to the bigger HA setup with all other zigbee devices) and besides a dropped motion sensor once in a while nothing big thatâs failing but this is just a small setup. The fact that i need to rely on Athom and the support of their so called âofficialâ apps and the fact 0 support is given on those apps and the only alternative is to write your own is one of the big âno goâsâ for me.
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Well, actually I disagree based on my own experience. May I ask you, how many times have you reached to Athom support on the topics you mentioned ?
Multiple times,
And their response in all cases was similar to the last one i got,
Iâve added your request to support this lamp to our internal list of device requests. Unfortunately, I canât guarantee if and when this device will be supported by the IKEA app.
We primarily focus on the development of Homey itself and although we originally made this app for this brand, we have limited manpower to add new devices. The best and quickest way to add new devices always remains that the brand itself is involved in the development and maintenance of the supporting app. Perhaps you could help us with this by letting the brand know that their productâs customers would greatly appreciate an integration with Homey.
Athom gives the impression that the manufacturer is involved in the development, but in reality, these often seem to be small side projects that are not well-maintained by Athom. This can mislead the end user who might think theyâre purchasing a product that a company like Ikea actively supports.
However, this isnât necessarily true. Ikea probably isnât even aware, and if they do know, they apparently have no interest in contributing. And according to Athomâs support department, I should reach out to Ikea to please take on support for their âofficial appâ that isnât official but promoted by Athom as an official app?
Therefore, it would be more appropriate for Athom to either stop labeling these kinds of apps as official, because they arenât, or to begin offering support and actively maintaining apps that they themselves launch in their app store.
And when you ask them to open up the repo so users can make a PR to support new devices (it isnât that hard add new devices) Athoms answer is: âsorry no can doâ.
⌠gives you the impression âŚ
Although I think the words âofficialâ and âcommunityâ are marketing labels, to me itâs clear them words just mean âoursâ and ânot oursâ
While thereâs in fact three kinds of app creators, I would have labelled them âIn-houseâ, âIndependentâ and âBrandâ for instance.
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Even if that were âmyâ interpretation of the word official, one would certainly expect some form of support from Athom, such as regular maintenance, support for new devices, and bug fixes.
Your comment reads like a typical situation where someone is attempting to justify something gone wrong, but of course, thatâs just my interpretation.
âOfficialâ (even if itâs Athom or âmanufacturer officialâ) could give people the assumption that there is any kind of support and itâs some sort of maintained, in the case above there is none in any form.
Itâs misleading and iâm curious what (in this case) Ikea and their legal department thinks about this âofficialâ app.
It depends, sometimes they are, eg. Aeotec - but donât expect support of manufactures having their own gateways, like Fibaro, IKEAâŚ
Well itâs maybe not feature rich but it is maintained and kept up-to-date, just sometimes takes indeed longer.
I donât see any such statement
You can always start your own Community app - very often they are much better then the Athomâs one
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Everything what is discussed here about apps is off topic.
So please stay on topic, thank you very much! 
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