[APP] Tuya - Connect any Tuya device with Homey (by Tuya Inc. / Athom)

We are collaborating with @johan_bendz to officially support the Tuya Zigbee App he created. This will ensure that all Tuya Zigbee devices are compatible with both Homey Pro and Homey Cloud users using a Homey Bridge.

Regarding the official Tuya App, it will likely remain available in the Homey App Store until it becomes non-functional for all users, not just new ones.

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I assume you mean “all currently supported Tuya Zigbee devices”? :sweat_smile:

Nice! Would be a good step! And how about the Tuya Cloud Community app?

It is the risk you take when you buy a Wifi controlled device. These are depending on the mood of the manufacturer because the control is not directly on your Wifi network, but through the servers of the manufacturer. If a manufacturer goes out of business, your devices are probably useless. If a manufacturer starts charging money, you can pay or loose the functionality. I don’t think many buyers realise this. Better buy Zigbee or other direct-controlled devices, that you can always control yourself. It shows again that Tuya is not a company to like. But I guess you get what you pay for isn’t it…? :slight_smile:

Because they’re not willing to provide their services for free?

Let’s not forget that the feature to control your Tuya devices via Homey isn’t something that the devices were sold with, and that Athom benefits much more from that feature than Tuya does.

On the other side, there are no more API requests via original vendor app (branded Tuya app) and via Homey instead.
Homey needs more requests I think because of automations, but it’s not in addition.

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And let’s not forget Homey was only for a very brief period advertised as able to “connect any Tuya device”.

I see a number of responses where people indicate something in line of:“I have dozens of Tuya devices and bought a Homey Pro, just because it can control Tuya devices and now Athom has pulled that away from me and I feel misguided”. Makes me wonder how many people bought their Homey Pro in the few months that the official Tuya app was working :slight_smile:

Do you mean that Tuya benefits from this in a way that their app will not have to process the API requests as it goes through Homey if Athom agrees with this?
I think Tuya has a business model in which they add a few cents to the price of each device to accommodate for all API requests during the life time of that device. So, most likely that is covered. And I don’t think Tuya is concerned about the number of API requests.
In that regard, I think @Doekse is right here:

This part, I do not completely agree with:

The benefit to the end consumer in this solution is huge: we get to buy cheap devices and still use them in Homey. The benefit for Tuya is “okayish”: they get to sell their devices as well to this relatively small group of Homey users that don’t want to use the Tuya app and Tuya doesn’t have the hassle of doing work to provision this feature.
The benefit for Athom however is very slim: do a lot of work just for a bunch of users that want to use cheap devices in Homey.

Having been patient and waited for a while for an update I do like to raise the question again: why IS Tuya putting in the effort to create a free Home Assistant integration? Would that then just be the fact that now Athom is part of LG?

Devices managed by Homey will result in (many) more requests/data transfers than when using the original vendor app, since Homey needs to keep track of device status updates and because of automations.

Automations, yes. The update will be done Websocket like like done in community app (pushed from cloud) - I assume/hope.

People don’t read the fine print, they read or see somewhere in some paid-for promotion that Homey supports all your smart devices, and they expect them to work. I don’t think that’s limited to Tuya, it’s just that the whole “official Tuya” story coincides with some big marketing campaigns on Youtube.

Even so, the official mobile apps will not maintain a persistent connection to the Tuya cloud servers, and even if they do, they will be dormant most of the time.

Yes, agreed.

I think Home Assistant has made some huge steps in the past years, but it is still no real competitor to Athom when it comes to people that don’t want to tinker too much with stuff.
If Home Assistant becomes even more plug and play and more user friendly, it will be a huge competitor

If you buy a pre-installed HA device, what isn’t plug-and-play with HA nowadays?

The honest answer here is: I don’t know exactly :wink:
I still see Smart Home Solver, Automate Your Life and Paul Hibbert still do some tinkering every now and then

You write: “Regarding the official Tuya App, it will likely remain available in the Homey App Store until it becomes non-functional for all users, not just new ones.”

I fully agree with this statement. My implementation of the Tuya-app still works great with my heatpump.

There are rumours that the heatpump manufacturer is moving away from the Smart Life app. If that happens I can delete the Tuya-app. But for the time being, please don’t pull the pin!

Ehhh. Auto device registration via mqtt discovery……

And an easy to set up Tuya integration🙃

I understand the situation. Tuya is not a future proof approach here. So my question is if there is any way to use my old WiFi only Tuya lights/switches without going via the Tuya Cloud? I have spotted in the HA forums that there is a way to update the device firmware but are there any more simplistic approach? Note that very few of my Tuya devices are Zigbee compliant.
I’m grateful for any proposals.

MQTT discovery implies that devices are being discovered? I can’t remember the last time I had to manually add an MQTT device.

The official Tuya integration for Home Assistant is super easy: devices mostly get auto-discovered, and to add them you just enter your user code once and you’re done. At least that’s how it works for me.

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