Home security with Homey (creating an Alarm)

Small alarm update:

  • Replaced the sensor7 battery and it is still working great at this moment, hope it lasts so I can bulk buy those. Aeotec support told me that if it’s not running S2 what Homey does not support, the battery will drain about twice as fast, but within a day should not be possible. Perhaps I had a bad battery.

  • Found a Homey issue yesterday when the internet provider had a big outage. I removed most of my switches and use voice control with google mini’s. But…, no internet, no google mini. What I did not know is that you also can’t start the Homey app locally. I thought being on the same LAN the app and homey should be able to connect, but they can’t. Homey does still seem to work, but need to be aware that in a alarm situation with Internet down I can’t use the app so need a keyfob or switch to disarm the alarm as well.

  • Bought the Netatmo welcome camera, really nice camera, even records at night, but almost no motion detection at night when dark and a lot of (false) motion detections in daylight. Still a great camera with fun face recognition, but not a replacement for the motion detection sensors. Aeotec multisensor 6 comming in today, if that works I’ll use them, otherwise I’ll start using Aqara’s.

  • Extremely positively Reviewed Heimdall

  • Still looking for a glass break sensor. Vision security has them and Homey has an app for that, but does not support the glass break sensor. Asked for them to support it so you never know.

  • Connecting to the security agency control room should be possible with the IP Converter, it can take serial commands and use SIA and CID protocols over the internet to the control room, can also hold a GPRS SIM card for direct communication if the internet is down. I’m still looking for one of these devices that have a web API instead of a Serial bus to connect to, cause I’d probably have to place a Raspberry in between Homey and this gateway to have Homey talk to the raspberry and the raspberry talk over serial port to this device talking to the control room.

  • A bit stuck with the jamming detection part and don’t know if I need to further investigate that. We can only detect jamming, not prevent it. I’m thinking about having two Aqara sensors with Zibee installed as well, that way if they jam Z-Wave I still have the Zigbee’s detecting and the other way around.

This should work, at least that’s what Athom has always said. If it doesn’t work, please let Athom know (because for others it also doesn’t work, so more bug reports hopefully means faster fixes): https://support.athom.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Lol, that would be my fifth support request for this week. Hope I don’t get some kind of permanent ban :-). But I will do.

We can only stop posting support requests when Homey is free of bugs :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

If Homey disconnects from internet you can program the alarm to go off, problem is that your sirens probably would be jammed.

Found a Homey issue yesterday when the internet provider had a big outage. I removed most of my switches and use voice control with google mini’s. But…, no internet, no google mini. What I did not know is that you also can’t start the Homey app locally. I thought being on the same LAN the app and homey should be able to connect, but they can’t. Homey does still seem to work, but need to be aware that in a alarm situation with Internet down I can’t use the app so need a keyfob or switch to disarm the alarm as well.

Please do file another ticket for this since it’s still a bad issue. Ahtom confirmed this on 2 September.

Aaaargh… I’m glad RobbShop has great service because unfortunately I have to return a lot to them lately. Ordered the Aeotec Sensor 7, that did not work, probably cause Homey does not implement S2 yet. Wanted to buy the Fibaro sensors instead, but they look almost exactly the same and the Fibaro can not be screwed, it needs to be glued and that always comes off. So I also got the Vision Security Siren and that worked great, the app also showed the door/window sensor so ordered that. But too bad…, after binding it tells me “Invalid_CommandClass_Command_Class_Sensor_Binary”.

Finding the right sensors is hard. The Neo’s don’t have tamper alarm, guess I only have the Aqara’s to try now. I almost had everything Z-Wave based, tried a Aeotec multisensory 6 and that seems to work great.

Made the support query, it is a bad issue, but I can live with it a bit. Homey still works without internet, you only cannot control or configure it with the app anymore. Bought a keyfob as well for the main alarm features and will use two buttons to set a “full light” / “all lights off” scene so for that few hours a year the internet breaks down I can still control most functions.

Would rather have them implement backup and restore first, or better Z-Wave / ZigBee support.

U can use Aquara Vibration Sensor as glasbreak detector…

But you have to place them on the glass? I have a lot of glass windows, currently there is one glass break detector on the ceiling in the center of 3 glass windows. If any of them break the sensor will listen to the sound of glass breaking and fire an alert. I think there will hardly be any vibration at that point to pick up.

How is the glass break sensor connected? When it’s wired it might just be an open/close contact which may make it possible to connect it to a Fibaro Universal Binary Sensor.

Hmmm…, good tip. That could just work. It is also a wireless sensor, but it can be configured to have a red LED active when it is on alert. If I could have that LED somehow fire up the binary sensor… That will cause me double the amount of battery, so I’m shelving this as a “if no other alternative”.

If it has a led you could replace that/attach an optocoupler to it and connect that to a Xiaomi Aqara Window Door Sensor, will be the easiest solution I think.

(Your glass break sensor, is it this one: https://www.security.honeywell.com/product-repository/5853 ?)

No, my glass break sensor is different:

Also about 13 years old so probably a obsolete / discontinued model as well. I don’t know how long these things last as well, tested 3 of them and they do still work, but I’d prefer a brand new homey compatible sensor if they exist.

Hi, all the Z-Wave door/window sensors don’t seem to work on Homey, have not tested the Neo yet as it has no tamper alarm, but now considering the Xiaomi’s and switching to Zigbee.

But…, I see Xiaomi has two different kind of door/window sensors. Is it true that both of them cannot be screwed and need to be taped? I have terrible experiences with gluing anything. Had a fibaro smoke sensor glued to a smooth ceiling with doube sided tape that should be able to hold 5kg, fell into pieces about a month later. I don’t want my sensor or the magnet to fall off that easy, especially with small kids smashing the doors.

Do they also, like the Neo, don’t have the tamper alert? For door/window sensors that seems to be something we would want.

???

I used round about 20 Z-Wave door/window sensors on homey. Fibaro/Devolo/Philio/Sensative
And everything is fine. Which issues did you have with the sensors?

I have some Zwave Aeotec Recessed Door sensors and have no problems with them (other than the battery consumption) No tamper alarm needed as these are inside the door and only accessible when the door is open.

The Aeotec Sensor 7 missed a lot of open/close events to Homey even when it was very close to it, after a day it stopped sending events at all. Changed the battery for a new one, did not change anything.

The sabotage alert also never went away. Wrote Athom support about it and Homey can’t use the S2 protocol that this Aeotec is using, that could perhaps explain.

Wanted to try the Fibaro, but it looked about identical to the Aeotec, but also had a magnet that could only be glued, so I tried the Vision Security sensor instead. Could bind it to Homey, but the device had an exclamation mark afterwards and only indicated “Invalid_CommandClass_Command_Class_Sensor_Binary”, so returned those as well.

The Neo’s seem to be fine in stability and connection, but miss the tamper alert. The sensitive strip perhaps also works, but irreplaceable battery and also no tamper alert.

How long do those batteries last? Our front door will probably open/close about 10 times a day minimum. Cause it will probably be a bit more work to replace them as well?

I’m thinking about giving the Neo’s a try and forget about the tamper alert. The door/window sensors are a nice “first alert” and help you remind to close everything, but they also don’t detect anyone breaking the window so we got motion detectors as a second line of defense :slight_smile:

Believe me, aqara tapes hold like a hell. You will have problem to take it off. Unlike fibaro door sensor 2 that fall off after few days with original tape.

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