Hi, is there a reason why the powerreadings stopt working? Only changes after restarting the tuya app.
Thanks for the update
Iâm honestly done with Tuya.
Iâll be replacing my Bathroom GU10s with Aqara very soon and my Knightsbridge sockets with the upcoming Aqara UK wall outlets. Canât bloody wait!
Itâs just cheap tat. Iâve had endless problems with Tuya devices and having to repair them (also outside of Homey in the Smart Life app).
Not a single one of my Matter devices has issues across multiple brands.
I honestly donât understand the desire for everyone to keep using them. IMHO you are just plastering the problem in your smart home and at the same time, propping up their tired business model.
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i found a cheap work around to get tuya devices into homey.
I bought a $30 rasberry pi and did a basic home assistant install ( I hear ya, I hate HA as well).
I added my tuya devices to HA, nothing fancy or automations the devices just sit there.
I added the HA app in homey, now I can use tuya without the Api headache.
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At least youâll have the hardware in place in case you ever want to transition to Zigbee and run into the problem that your multi-$100 Homey also does that rather poorly.
Best would be if athom just opend up there hardware so we could install home assistant in it
There hardware is ok but there developer base for the software is just to small to keep up.
Or you could buy something much better for much less.
I struggle to understand.. probably itâs just my own problem.
We all (hopefully) have reason, taste, and the freedom to choose whatever solution best fits us. Yet, despite that, people always seem to prefer discrediting others often by insulting them, and sometimes even defaming them, which, at least in my country, is a criminal offense.
You should be thankful to Athom for continuing to tolerate public posts where users call them âincompetentâ or âscammers.â
Athom and Home Assistant are two companies that, although born with different approaches, are both relatively young.
And as if that werenât enough, when they released their first products/software, the smart home world was still mostly unexplored.
There was far more confusion than today in the protocols, in how things worked, and often it wasnât even clear what a smart home was supposed to do.
Weâre talking about roughly a decade ago.
I donât know how many of you were around then, but I decided at the time to try HA, and calling that experience âfrustrating to the limits of human toleranceâ would be an understatement.
As for the very first version of Homey, I canât comment on it since I never tried it, but I can only imagine it had its fair share of âyouth issues.â
As I said, the two companies took very different paths from the start both in philosophy and in code (one open-source, the other proprietary).
Homey was launched by Athom B.V. (founded in 2014 in the Netherlands) with a philosophy focused on delivering a âready-to-useâ commercial product from day one.
It started as a standalone hardware hub a glowing, talking white sphere (at the time) that connected to all your smart devices.
Its main strength was multi-protocol integration in a single device.
The software was tightly bound to their hardware (the Homey sphere).
It was designed for immediate use through a drag-and-drop interface and a mobile app for setup.
The goal was simplicity for the average consumer unlike Home Assistant, which was geared toward tinkerers.
Itâs worth pointing out that the Homey project integrated multiple technologies right into the hardware from the beginning:
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Wi-Fi
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Zigbee
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Z-Wave
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Bluetooth Low Energy
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433 MHz
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Infrared
All within one hub, reducing the need for extra dongles or gateways and supporting integration with over 1,000 brands via integration Apps (developed both by Athom and the community).
A distinctive feature, in my opinion, was the intuitive Homey Flow interface, which allowed users to create powerful automations in a simple and functional way.
Athom kept developing powerful hardware, launching Homey Pro, with a focus on local control for advanced users.
Unlike the Bridge version, which relies on the cloud, Homey Pro processes everything locally (similar to Home Assistantâs original philosophy), ensuring low latency and operation even without an internet connection.
The Homey Pro is a one-time purchase, but offers an optional paid yearly subscription for Homey Pro Backups automatic, encrypted cloud backups to ensure system resilience.
From a business standpoint, the most significant change came quite recently: in 2024, LG Electronics acquired a majority stake (80%) in Athom B.V.
Thatâs a crucial move and signals a completely different direction from Nabu Casa/Home Assistant, which took the non-profit foundation route to protect open source.
Home Assistantâs story, by contrast, is completely different.
It began in 2013 as free, open-source home automation software.
Initially, it was just a Python script for basic automation tasks like turning on lights at sunset.
Because itâs open source and focused on local control, it was (and still is) recommended to run it on a local server often a cheap and versatile Raspberry Pi (today replaced by mini PCs, due to higher performance needs and the fact that Raspberry Pi is no longer exactly âcheapâ).
In 2018, the founders of Home Assistant created Nabu Casa, a commercial company that marked an important evolution while keeping Home Assistant itself open source and free.
The goal of Nabu Casa was to make HA less ânerdy,â offering paid services and hardware that financially support the open-source project.
This led to a major shift in HAâs roadmap.
Nabu Casa Cloud is a paid, optional commercial service that provides:
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Secure Remote Access: Lets you access Home Assistant from anywhere without complex router setups (works as a reverse proxy, no port forwarding needed).
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Voice Assistant Integration: Simplifies connecting to assistants like Google Assistant and Amazon Alexa (unofficial methods exist but are often unreliable).
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Advanced encrypted Text-to-Speech engine.
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Encrypted remote backups.
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Commercial Hardware: Nabu Casa also began selling pre-configured hardware to simplify setup, including:
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Home Assistant Yellow: A modular kit (now discontinued) that included a Raspberry Pi Compute Module and a Zigbee/Thread radio chip.
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Home Assistant Green: A more affordable smart home hub.
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USB Dongles: Devices like the Zigbee 3.0 Connect ZBT-1 for local wireless connectivity.
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When looking at these two projects different from birth but sharing the same ultimate goal I honestly canât understand why people still waste breath on childish âfanboyâ comparisons.
How old are you, really?
Iâm asking because, here (and in the HA community too), there are fathers, real people with lives for whom this is a hobby, a passion.
And thatâs what it should stay.
In neither case are we talking about building a smart home worth tens of thousands in professional-grade systems made by people who do this for a living systems where I, personally, wouldnât forgive serious bugs or inefficiencies after spending that kind of money and giving up the fun of tinkering.
So, stop it!!!
Youâre making yourselves look ridiculous, childish, and youâre poisoning the communities (both this one and the other).
You make them toxic, to the point that you make people want to quit altogether.
Youâre the absolute worst!
If you want to help, roll up your sleeves and do it constructively.
But if youâre here ( like a certain someone I wonât name ) who jumps into every post just to defend their beloved system blindly, know that youâre not expressing an opinion; youâre just fueling arguments and dragging the conversation to rock-bottom levels.
If youâve got personal problems, please donât take them out here.
None of us are free from them, but if weâre here or in any other community itâs because we want to distract ourselves, enjoy our passion, learn, and help when we can.
Thatâs the right spirit and itâs with that spirit we should keep going, whether you use Homey or Home Assistant.
What matters is doing it constructively and intelligently.
Otherwise, before making your homes smart, maybe you should work on making yourselves smart first.
Thank you,
Luca
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Itâs fine if you have an issue with criticism (which is an opinion, but an opinion based on facts; if you think otherwise, please point me to specifics), but your (AI-generated) post is just condescending.
Why would you ask chatgpt to write a story like this⌠who is defaming athom.
I have been around since day one. Made apps for homey. Bought two of there units there hardware is expensive but looks great and is accessible. But development is slow and relies on a small base of communitydevelopers and is therefore falling behind on other projects that run on the same hardware base.
And if your goal is to sell hardware there should be no need to lock off your hardware
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ahahahah
traduci in inglese: **Non voglio che intervieni sulla formattazione, facendo capire che si tratta di un testo generato dallâAI quando NON LO Eâ, non voglio che elimini o modifichi i miei pensieri, perchĂŠ altrimenti non sarebbero piĂš i miei, se vuoi sistemare qualcosa a livello di fluiditĂ dello scritto procedi pure, ma limitati solo a questo, non voglio un testo di plastica, non mi interessa il politicaly correct, non mi interessano le tue opinioni proprio perchĂŠ sono le tue e non le mie. Ecco il testo: Io faccio fatica a capire, probabilmente è un problema esclusivamente mio. Siamo tutti dotati ( si spera ) di raziocinio, di gusti e possiamo scegliere liberamente la soluzione piĂš affine a noi, ma nonostante tutto si preferisce sempre screditare, spesso offendendo, alcune volte anche diffamando commettendo quindi quelli che almeno nel mio paese sono dei reati penali. Dovreste ringraziate Athom che continua a tollerare definizioni come: incapaci e truffatori fatte in threads pubblici. Athom come Home Assistant, sono due aziende che sebbene nascono con modalitĂ diverse, sono entrambe giovani e come se questo non bastasse quando hanno rilasciato i loro primi prodotti/software la smart home era un territorio pressochĂŠ sconosciuto, câera molta piĂš confusione di adesso, nei protocolli, nelle modalitĂ di funzionamento e spesso non era esattamente chiaro, cosa dovesse fare una smart home. Stiamo parlando di una decina di anni fa, non so chi di voi ci fosse ma io decisi allâepoca di provare HA e dire che fosse unâesperienza frustrante al limite della sopportazione umana significa usare un eufemismo. Di Homey primissima versione non posso parlarne, non avendolo mai provato ma posso solo immaginare che fosse pieno di problemi di âgioventĂšâ. Come dicevo prima gli approcci delle due aziende furono sin da subito diverse, sia nel codice ( da una parte open-source, dallâaltra un sistema proprietario ). Homey è stato lanciato da Athom B.V. (fondata nel 2014 nei Paesi Bassi) con una filosofia orientata al prodotto commerciale âchiavi in manoâ fin dallâinizio. Nato come un HUB hardware autonomo, una sfera bianca luminosa e parlante (a suo tempo) che si collegava a tutti i dispositivi smart. Il suo punto di forza principale era lâintegrazione multi-protocollo in un unico dispositivo Il software era intrinsecamente legato al loro hardware (la sfera Homey). Lâuso era immediato e si basava su unâinterfaccia drag-and-drop e unâapp mobile per la configurazione. Lâobiettivo era la semplicitĂ dâuso per il consumatore medio, a differenza di Home Assistant che si rivolgeva ai tinkerer. Interessante e doveroso è specificare che il progetto Homey sin dallâinizio prevedeva diverse tecnologie integrate nellâhardware: 1) Wi-Fi 2) Zigbee 3) Z-Wave 4) Bluetooth Low Energy 5) 433 MHz 6) Infrarossi Tutto racchiuso in un unico hub, riducendo la necessitĂ di dongle o gateway separati, supportando di fatto lâintegrazione con oltre 1.000 marchi grazie alle App di integrazione (sviluppate sia da Athom che dalla community). Una nota a mio avviso distintiva è stata sin da subito lâinterfaccia intuitiva Homey Flow, che permetteva di realizzare fantastiche automazioni in maniera semplificata e funzionale. Athom ha continuato a sviluppare lâhardware potente con il lancio di Homey Pro, con unâenfasi sul controllo locale per gli utenti piĂš esigenti: A differenza della soluzione Bridge che si affida al cloud, Homey Pro elabora tutto localmente (simile alla filosofia originale di Home Assistant), garantendo bassa latenza e operativitĂ anche in assenza di connessione internet. Abbonamento/Backup: Il dispositivo Homey Pro è un acquisto una tantum, ma offre lâabbonamento opzionale Homey Pro Backups (a pagamento annuale) per il backup automatico e criptato sul cloud, garantendo la resilienza del sistema. Ad ogni modo dal punto di vista commerciale, la modifica piĂš rilevante è avvenuta abbastanza recentemente, infatti nel 20224 LG Electronics ha acquisito una partecipazione di maggioranza (80%) in Athom B.V. Questo è un passaggio cruciale e indica una direzione completamente diversa rispetto Nabu Casa/Home Assistant, che si è mossa verso una fondazione non-profit per proteggere lâOpen Source. Interessante e totalmente diverso il percorso di Home Assistant che nasce nel 2013 come software di automazione domestica Open Source e gratuito. Inizialmente era uno script (scritto in Python) per compiti basilari di automazione, come accendere le luci al tramonto. Essendo un progetto open source e focalizzato sul controllo locale, veniva (ed è tuttora) consigliato di farlo girare su un server locale, spesso un economico e versatile Raspberry Pi ( oggi mini Pc per vari motivi tra cui richiesta di potenza maggiore e costo del Raspberry non piĂš esattamente economico ). Nel 2018, i fondatori di Home Assistant hanno creato lâazienda Nabu Casa, una societĂ commerciale che ha segnato unâimportante evoluzione, pur mantenendo Home Assistant stesso Open Source e gratuito. Sebbene lâobiettivo di Nabu Casa è rendere HA un prodotto meno da nerd, fornendo servizi a pagamento e anche hardware ( che sostengono dal punto di vista finanziario il progetto open source ). Questo comportò anche qui una radicale modifica nella road map di HA, Nabu Casa Cloud è a tutti gli effetti un servizio commerciale, in abbonamento (opzionale) che offre: 1) Accesso Remoto Sicuro: Consente di accedere a Home Assistant da qualsiasi luogo in modo sicuro, senza dover configurare complicate porte sul router (funzionando come reverse proxy senza port forwarding). 2) Integrazione con Assistenti Vocali: Facilita la connessione con assistenti vocali esterni come Google Assistant e Amazon Alexa ( esistono anche metodi non ufficiali ma spesso sono poco affidabili ) 3) Motore Text-to-Speech avanzato e criptato per il cloud. 4) Backup remoti criptati. 5) Hardware Commerciale: Nabu Casa ha iniziato a vendere hardware pre-configurato per semplificare lâinstallazione e lâuso di Home Assistant, come: - Home Assistant Yellow: Un kit modulare, ora dismesso, che integrava un Raspberry Pi Compute Module e un chip radio per Zigbee/Thread. - Home Assistant Green: Un hub domotico piĂš accessibile. - Dongle USB: Dispositivi come Zigbee 3.0 Connect ZBT-1 per la connettivitĂ wireless locale. Di fronte a progetti che sebbene perseguono lo stesso intento, sono radicalmente diversi sin dalla loro nascita, mi chiedo perchĂŠ sprecate ancora fiato a fare confronti da funboy, ma quanti anni avete ? Ve lo chiedo perchĂŠ qui ( come anche nella community di HA ) ci sono padri di famiglia, persone che hanno una vita reale e per cui questo rappresenta un hobby, una passione ed è questo quello che deve rimanere. In nessuno dei due casi si sta costruendo una casa domotica da decine di migliaia di euro/dollari, con sistemi professionali e chiusi, progettati da professionisti del settore che fanno questo per vivere, a cui io per primo non perdonerei bugs e inefficenze gravi dopo aver sborsato somme ingenti ed aver rinunciato di fatto anche allo smanettamento. Quindi, basta vi rendete ridicoli, infantili e sporcate le community ( sia questa che lâaltra ), le rendete tossiche e fate venir voglia di buttar via tutto. Siete il male assoluto ! Rimboccatevi le maniche se volete essere dâaiuto, ma se siete qui come qualcuno di cui non farò il nome che ad ogni post dove viene tirato in ballo questa INUTILE discussione difende a spada tratta il suo amore assoluto e incondizionato per il suo sistema preferito. Persone come lui ( ce ne sono molte altre ) non stanno esprimendo una loro opinione, sono qui solo per alimentare dissidi e fare involvere le discussioni a livelli molto bassi. Se avete problemi personali, per favore non veniteli a sfogare qui, nessuno di noi ne è esente ma se stiamo qui o su qualche altra community è perchĂŠ vogliamo distrarci, appassionarci, imparare e quando possibile essere dâaiuto. Questo è lo spirito giusto ed è con questo spirito che dobbiamo continuare ad andare avanti, chi con Homey chi con Home Assistant, lâimportante che sia fatto in maniera costruttiva e intelligente, in caso contrario prima di rendere intelligenti le vostre case, forse sarebbe piĂš opportuno che rendesse intelligenti voi stessi. Grazie, Luca
Please consider that while our criticism on Homey as a device, and Athom as a company, is never personal, your post is. It suggests that the people posting critique have no idea what they are talking about and need to be taught a (history) lesson.
Sorry, but being in the game since day one and not knowing how to distinguish between text produced by AI and text that has simply been translated is pretty serious 
I donât let AI atrophy my brain like many, many, too many people do. I explicitly asked ChatGPT not to change anything in my text, just to translate it. For those who are convinced they know everything, I can also provide a link to my conversation with the AI.
If you donât know how to write, donât take it out on meâŚ
Translated with DeepL.com (free version) ( cosĂŹ sarete piĂš felici )
Okay, first of all, I would expect an apology for claiming that I am incapable of writing a coherent speech without the help of AI.
An apology that will never come, because you are too blinded by your critical spirit towards everything you donât like.
Iâm just sorry I have to write in English.
You know, my language is so full of words that donât exist in English that when I read the translation, I get depressed 
So thatâs enough. If I had to delegate the AI to write what I think, I think I would retire to private life.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
How embarrassing, to indicate a conversation written by a human being as if it were generated by AI.
Now I understand why when I talk to people, I get the impression that they can no longer express themselves. Perhaps they miss their beloved AI :D.
Have a great weekend, everyone. Youâve given me a really fun moment.
I have 30 zigbee devices already running in homey just fine.
But does it do binding? Grouping? Does it have decent generic Zigbee device support? Does it still work in a stable fashion when you add some Thread devices? Where can you see an overview of your Zigbee network?
i have no idea
Can your Homey at least control more than 5 devices at once without random devices not responding or having to resort to workarounds like adding delays?
I am running 30 zigbee devices
âat onceâ. So turn on 5 lights at the same time.
