While i disprove the actions of Tuya I, i think at this point both parties are to blame now. I would argue it made me more hesitant to actually buy a homey pro not less tuya products. My reasoning: the promise is one hub to control it all. One app, one system. Given that tuya product are by far the most prevalent in the netherlands (hema, blokker, action, gamma) and that bigger equipment (HVAC, eurom, cooking stuff, security camera’s) is also often tuya. It just makes sense to support it, and not drop development/support at the first kink when things become difficult or require an actual investment.
I know the stance of the community and Homey against cloud stuff. But Tuya allowing local control after setup, them beeing the most prevalent platform around and homey having offered an official app that people took into account when deciding on how to arrange their smarthome, makes it that i think not putting in effort to restore Tuya capabilities is a big mistake. (To clarify: i do not consider waiting for tuya to change their stance as effort)
im giving it one more week to get their act together, and from then on, i will operate under the assumption that is is a classic: ‘won’t fix’ entry on github…. For me this means my whole automation system reconsidered, and for sure no homey pro… i feel like a clown waiting with automating the rest of my new place until @Doekse and club finally provide clarity….
I came from HA to Homey because i thought that spending the money would alleviate me from the crap, but apparently:
Why would you switch from HA to Homey?
I really can’t understand why… I switched from Homey to HA and the learning curve is a bit higher but with Node-Red it’s so easy. Also The fact that everyone in this house has it’s own dashboard is so great. I can change/add/remove everything per-user. The WAF has never been higher.
Because of the ease of integrations and general stability. Way too often did it find myself in a situation where HA needed a full reboot, i have not touched my homey once since install, that says enough.
There is incredible value in the way homey has set up the connection process, device management and extending signals vis homey bridge etc.
You can trade that for time, and use HA, but that was a piece i was trying to avoid
Please don’t confuse my critique on the tuya topic with my general opinion Homey, I think they did a stellar job on both the hardware and software part. I will be an advocate for them if anyone around me would ever ask for recommendations on home automation. Im just a bit bummed that after doing quite some research on home automation solutions and beeing stuck with some tuya hardware, i choose a solution that supports tuya, only for that feature to break the exact day i buy the stuff. Not a big issue, were it not for the fact that it is just unclear how Athom is currently handling the situation, if at all… a simple: won’t fix, is enough and we can get on other solutions.
Well ok, you’ve done your research. Then you must have known that Homey has been around for years without an official app for Tuya. We have had the community app for quite a while and that was working “okayish”
On the 21st of March the test version of the official Tuya app was released. On the 12th of July the app was released as 1.0 version. Then about 3,5 months later the app stopped working as Tuya has blocked it.
If that’s the entire history, those 3,5 months of having a working “official” app you took as a basis to buy a Homey Pro while you depend that much on Tuya devices in your home automation?
I am also to some extent guilty of that as I purchased a smart plug that I use for my coffee maker. (And I NEED coffee in the morning!) However, reverting back to the community Tuya app was sufficient for me. Yes, an official app would be better and it would be fun to buy all sorts of Tuya stuff and integrate it in my home. It has a price that is ok to play around with, but at the same time it has a company behind it that makes it not ok to build your entire home automation upon. In Dutch we say: eerst zien, dan geloven.
Well i’m not anti-Homey or something like that, i am still using my Homey (non Pro) early 2018 and if Homey was not available back then i would never had the experience i have today but since i now made the jump to Homeassistent i don’t think i would ever go back to Homey as my main controller. Funny though that since i jumped from Homey to HA i bought some Action LSC (= Tuya) stuff and the integration works flawless through the “Smarthome” app by Tuya (cloud connected to HA)
Atm i’m playing with a PTZ camera from Action LSC, HA picked it up and now it’s intergrated in Homekit aswel… Anyhow… I hope Tuya and Athom can get to an agreement soon for all Homey Users.
The only conclusion I can draw from this has been mentioned here in several ways: Tuya is happy to support a non profit initiative like Home Assistant and even willing to support users of Homey, delivered by a small company like Athom. However, if a small company like Athom gets bought by LG that changes things.
I don’t think it will ever happen, but if Home Assistant was bought by (for example) Samsung, I think the Tuya integration will also stop.
Totally offtopic but Homeassistant is part of the Open Home Foundation (non-profit) to make sure that Homeassistant can not be bought by a (big) company. The company Nabu Casa, the main developer, can.
That’s exactly why I wanted to get rid of Domoticz and moved to Homey instead of Home Assistant: all those different things tied together. The promise of Homey is just one device to rule them all. With the official Tuya app that seemed to be an option for even Tuya devices. Now we’ll just have to make do with tying a developer account to Homey
I really don’t see why all this fuss, we didn’t have an official app until 3-4 months ago and no one stopped from buying tuya, cause both the zigbee app and the unofficial tuya cloud app work. And they STILL work. Raw commands are not the best option, but it get the work done and is not that complicated once you understand how it works, so just continue with what we know
The email from Tuya that tells you they will start billing something like 20.000 a month scared me enough to send them an email to please remove my account completely and not using the developer program anymore.
