I hope this topic will not be a neverending story. From now on, I will try to shift away from Tuya to matter-only devices. Nanoleaf matter over thread RGB light bulbs are on Black Friday deals, which might be an opportunity for many of us to swap some old lamps or just add new smart lamps.
The only downside is that Matter adoption has been slow for many brands. @Doekse, what is the current matter version within Homey Pro?
Would it also be possible in the near future to get Homey to support Thread/Bluetooth devices?
Cheers
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I feel that Homeyâs Matter implementation doesnât really adhere to a specific Matter version. There are parts of Matter 1.2 in there, but certainly not the full spec.
It already supports Thread devices, and Iâm not sure if Matter-over-Bluetooth (if thatâs what you mean) is actually a thing.
Hi Robert,
Thanks for replying; you are a world-class community supporter!
I meant thread and Bluetooth, as some devices in the market work with Bluetooth and thread, like the Onvis smart button (enrolls over Bluetooth) and other brands.
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Matter enrollment over BLE is supported, and Thread as well (but only with Matter, alternatives like Homekit over Thread arenât supported).
In this case itâs price includes (or rather excludes) itâs independence from Tuya infrastructure. Not the hardware per se. In one or another way manufacturer expects that such solution brings them more value (and not to end user, hell no), than standalone device. It is the âsavingâ part of the price. And I hope the expectation of the manufacturer is increasing number of cheap devices to be sold and not ability to control each and every lamp/camera/vacuum/door lock in the world when it will be requested. Which are not mutualy exclusive, though.
In that case: stay away from Tuya or any other brand that has their own app.
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The problem is that the devices that speak Matter are at the moment VERY thin on the ground, at least in the UK.
There are no RGB matter downlights that are fire rated
There are no Matter over Thread UK light switches
There are no Matter UK power outlets, only plugs.
These are the common device types too.
Reputable companies (Knightsbridge in the UK) who develop very solid products, have used Tuya up to now because of the low cost and high ROI.
They wont be rushing to Matter if they can continue earning what they are now.
I even got in touch with Eve (German company) to see if they are planning to do a UK outlet or an EU one.
They said no.
A german company sees a US Matter power outlet as a better ROI than an EU one.
Bonkers.
I would say we are 4-5 years away from a healthy, mature market for Matter enabled products.
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Youâre on the wrong Tuya app topic, Dick 
You have installed the Tuya Cloud community app, discussions go in this topic:
https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-tuya-cloud/21313
Thatâs a different department. And itâs not cloud / API and whatnot dependent.
Check the Tuya Zigbee community topic: https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-tuya-zigbee-app/26439
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However, useful to mention here as well: the work around (the community Tuya Cloud app) seems to be actively blocked by Tuya for new users as well.
So, Doekse, how are things going? My first idea to see if the community app can be promoted to an official app is down the drain as well.
I think the only thing left is something comparable to the HA solution. @Doekse , you are the partner manager. If someone can get clear why Tuya made an integration for HA, but hasnât made an app for Homey it is you. From that you should be the one working towards what needs to be done to get Tuya to make an app just like they made an integration for HA.
I know Tuya first pushed Athom to setting up their own cloud, but that is not the way things have been solved for HA, right?
Just out of curiosity: looking back, what were the timelines again?
This was in March
So, Tuya does the same thing as what they did for a free of charge solution: Home Assistant. They cooperate, that way supporting a free of charge solution and in this case a small company like Athom. Then LG buys Athom and things stop functioning.
Why is even the partner manager surprised this is happening? Why would you expect Tuya to support a big company like LG in providing free access to their services and cooperating in building the app?
So, again, isnât it time Athom/LG just pays up in order to continue to deliver on the promise of the official Tuya app? I donât think Tuya is not open for a solution here. I just think Athom doesnât like the solution.
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I completely understand that being part of LG changes the dynamics of our partnerships. However, during our meeting with Tuya at IFA, they expressed enthusiasm about this development and emphasized their interest in strengthening the collaboration between all three parties. In fact, they even suggested the possibility of integrating a Tuya SDK into Homey, which would make it easier for us to work together and foster a mutually beneficial partnership.
Thatâs why their decision to abruptly pull the API without any prior notice was both surprising and disappointing.
Weâre open to exploring solutions with both Tuya and LG, including options for the Tuya IoT Cloud. However, as previously mentioned, Tuya is pushing us toward their CUBE solution, which unfortunately is not a viable option for us.
Their recent actions, such as seemingly blocking access to the Tuya Cloud Community App, only further underscore their stance in this discussion.
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Thanks for the additional clarification. Letâs hope it will get sorted out quickly! Any progress on the HA way of working? Or is that integrating the Tuya SDK into Homey?
Of course people are eager to hear more about the progress.
Not sure if this applies to all people trying to use the community app.
I still can use the Tuya Cloud Community app by Jurgen Kleine, as well as the Tuya Zigbee app by Johan Bendz. I will not log out and again log in to both apps, as I understand that logging in is impossible.
I understand Athom blaims Tuya for its action. Itâs not really friendly to both its customers. Athom can show that it stands for its clients to take the initiative and contact Tuya to search for a solution and not wait for Tuya to come back to its point of view. A lot of Homey users notice the consequences and canât use their devices anymore.
I only have my Homey as my Zigbee hub, I donât want a separate device. With my Homey I can control all devices. A separate hub isnât family friendly, meaning I have to explain to my wife how she can control the lights in the house and in this time of the year the Christmas lights inside and outside our house. I use Blitzwolf sockets for it, and outside a Silvercrest socket from Lidl.
What are the alternative devices youâre going to use instead of the Zigbee devices as sockets with metering, lights, etc. Fibaro? Shelly?
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The Tuya Zigbee App by Johan Bendz is not involved in these problems, it 's âonlyâ a Tuya Cloud problem. See the Topic Name.
Strange, as Iâve got devices that use the Tuya Cloud app and still function correctly.
Title of the topic refers to the official Tuya app. I thought this is usable for cloud as well as Zigbee devices and therefor both types of devices are suffering from Tuyaâs action. Maybe Iâm wrong, can be of course.
Right, but this app is not available anymore in the app-store, when installed it questionable how long it will keep working.
Only for cloud devices.
You canât install it anymore, as it isnât available.
I meant that the login problems were also noticeable in the community apps, supposed Tuya can notice it is a Homey that is logging in. But probably this is not the case and thatâs the reason why they keep working.
Glad again with the community!
Then why call it the official Tuya app, as it only serves a part of the Tuya devices 
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Perhaps the name âOfficial Tuya App for Homey, but only for cloud devices, not for Zigbee devicesâ was considered to be too long 
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