Best indoor Motion Sensor?

Don’t have any problems with the idle mode. Haven’t noticed it yet. I do have some issues with the zone activity… doesn’t work for me. Having the lights turn off when no activity for 5 mins means the lights won’t turn on again if someone has manually turned off the lights, so i’m not using that anymore. Other than that, no issues with idle timeout.

Can’t say I have experienced anything similar, but please open an own topic, maybe someone can help figure out what is wrong.

I’ve got some aqara’s and hue motion sensors, and I’m trying to find a way to make them work properly. I have some flows with timers/countdown but it’s not there yet.

The problem is that the sensors need new motion to turn the hourglass but when I’m sitting still it doesn’t register and you have to wave or get up to detect new motion.

Are there sensors that just register if there is someone in the room and accordingly act in flows?

Came acros this Aqara human sensor. That should do the trick?

Yes, the Aqara Lumi Human Sensor should be the solution. I guess it’s a kind of presence sensor, it’s not the same like a motion sensor.

Another presence sensor I know is the HmIP-SPI from Homematic. But therefore you need an Homematic Gateway like CCU2, CCU3 or RaspberryMatic in addition. The Homematic App supports the sensor already, but I don’t know if the sensor works proper, because I do not own one.

Thanks, I’d like a sensor that works directly with Homey, not another bridge :wink: but the xiaomi sensor is B2B so I dont think it will be available for purchase anytime soon? The fact that its build in the ceiling also causes some problems. Hopefully there will be other sensors in the future that detects presence and not based on motion

A different system based on thermal. I like the idea but not the design, take a look:

No, it’s still a motion sensor, but high-precision. I use such sensors, but “classic” ones (in my alarm-system, it’s not smart-home related), they are able to detect e.g. if you sit near a desk and write on your keyboard. So such sensor doesn’t need as big movement as standard motion sensors, but still - it requires some motion. E.g. if you are sleeping without moving (e.g. in deep-sleep) such sensor would not detect your presence.

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Such presence systems (based on calculations of people moving between rooms or zones) always require a central unit, which makes all the calculations (as data from all the sensors are needed to compile the final values).

You don’t have to build it into the ceiling. It’s one of the options (you get recessor in the package), but you can also place it differently.

You can always use a recessed sensor instead of standard one to build it into other objects (ceiling, door frame, etc), so the sensor becomes invisible.

Thanks didn’t know about this. Do they need to be on every door? Does it just ‘count you in the room’ or does it detect you all the way. Btw I don’t want to wire my house with usb :wink:

I don’t own them. But I did a research on the internet a few days ago. It detects if you go in or out of a room, that is all but effective if it counts reliable. And this seems to be. Based on this it counts the person in the rooms but you have to install the detector on each entrance of a room.

The show stopper for me are also the cables, the design (dimensions) and the price.

This is also not my cup of tea but I’m glad there are some companies that try a different approach. Motion sensors are great but for many applications not the best.

Me to, but from case to case it is not possible sometimes, sadly.

Just a hint, @Piotr_Grochowski is the developer of the Hiome app… :wink:

A another suggestion but again the Homematic gateway is needed (sorry for that!): A sensor that determines if someone goes through a door into a room.

Maybe this is an idea that can be realized with other sensors.

Thanks for all the tips man! Clearly this is something that doesn’t exist yet. I’ll wait on products that will be directly connected to Homey and without cables :slight_smile:

They work best If they are on every door/passage/zone entry etc. But they don’t have to. In my home I started with just 1 door (bathroom) and then I added next sensors.

You don’t have to wire the house with usb. Recessed sensor uses DC of 5-12V. So I used standard 230V + small 12V power supply (like for LED strips) just near the sensor.

It is mostly, but not always. It sometimes makes mistakes. So I use Homey Flows to compensate the errors. E.g. in some rooms there are some motion sensors left. So if motion is detected and Hiome shows no one I the room → increment the number of persons in such a room to 1. Or if someone turns on a TV in the room. In the other hand if no motion was detected in the hallway for 10 minutes and Hiome shows whole the time that there is someone in there → reset to 0. Such combination works now almost perfect in my home. But it’s always >>almost<< - there is no perfect technology for that yet :frowning:

I am but I’m not connected with that company in any way!
I just came across the problems of motion sensors and I’ve looked for something more reliable… E.g. I always hated the “deactivation” time of the motion sensors. if I go our of a room I want the light to turn off immediately, not after the timer counts to 0… Especially at night, not to wake up other family members.
That’s how I found Hiome - it was before the product was out. When pre-orders were made available I first asked them about the API and when they delivered me the documentation and I was sure I will be able to connect their system to Homey - I preordered it.

I think those money was up to date the best spent by me for any of the smart-home bricks.

I found it before Hiome was out and I was thinking about ordering it. For me the biggest problem of this sensor was that it should be placed on the side of the door/passage. My wife said “No”… :slight_smile:
Another thing I think - when more than 1 person comes through the door - it is impossible to detect that.

I think it would be hard to achieve the same behavior as Homematic’s with other sensors because of the line of sight (too wide for most sensors) and the time of activation/decativation.

I think we have a different idea for a esthetically pleasing setup… but thanks for clearing things up!

Yes, maybe. I prefer all the sensors to be hidden (built-in, recessed, etc.), not to see them at all.

Thats ideal, but not feasable but this is also not my cup of tea. Wiring everything with usb etc. Maybe someday, some company will come up with a device. I’ll wait till then. Thanks