Homey 2.0 Home screen is so bad

I find it funny that people would use the app so much. I use homey to:

automate stuff
connect brand a to brand b
And the flow editor (mostly in safari)

I only use the app to add apps/devices or logica/flows.

3 Likes

@cmd thank you.

replaced it, I see you dont support a customizable homey app, sorry.

1 Like

i see you dont support a customizable homey app, sorry.

I don’t think he would not support it. I
think we all do but since athom is a small company that is fighting against big companies i rather have them put their time in develoing new features, apps and bugfixes…

But hey, that’s just me…

2 Likes

I would say showing temperature in the button or have a button where you can change the name from “armed” to “disarmed” would fit quite good into the new features section :slight_smile:

I am fine with them being flow controlled and not automatically fetched if that is an issue.

1 Like

I find this suggestion a little confusing, but ill try and answer the items I was able to pick out.

a) The Home Page is ‘bad’?

I don’t think its bad per se, but I do agree it has a bit of an identity crisis, first lets all agree its not a Dashboard. I don’t think it was ever intended to be a dashboard, and trying to compare it to Dashboards is not possible. Its just a simple Home page.

I do not think it’s bad per se, but I do agree it has a bit of an identity crisis, first let us agree it is not a dashboard. I do not think it was ever intended to be a dashboard and trying to compare it to a dashboard is not possible. It is just a simple home page.

I get the ability to choose the devices which I need the most access to or the quickest. But out of ALL my devices and ALL my favourites … only three show up at a time? And the majority of the screen is wasted on a timeline?

b) We require a proper dashboard?

Sure, Athom have previously stated that this will be up to third parties to create. Buti ts not really possible (see below). Hopefully with the Homey.ink and just how popular HomeyDash is I am hoping this will become a higher priority for them.

c) oAuth needs to be fully implemented so third party dashboards can be created?

Agreed.

d) Device tiles require capability feedback?

Rather then create a another topic, it would be best if you support the existing one.


I think that it would be easier to have a conversation if each idea was in its own thread.

Agree!

1 Like

Agree

1 Like

That so weird - the text in the message says “not” but it won’t display that.

—-

Turns out chrome on my iPhone is translating it from English to English (and completely changing the meaning)

I guess someone else behind the scenes doesn’t agree… :smile: :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah saying it’s a dashboard can be wrong from some pov :slight_smile:

But having buttons with customizable INTs and strings would help a lot.
Maybe even change icons on the fly for home alarm states.

On the other hand the homey is being sold as a mainstream consumer product at the Mediamarkt for example. I think that you may aspect functional apps like a (iPad) dashboard available from the producing company. I also won’t by a car and then accept to be depending on beta versions from third parties (despite their best efforts) for the software.

When i buy a car i can expect 4 wheels and a steering wheel, car makers do deliver bugs in their software (beta?) but that’s a different discussion , when i buy a homey i can expect what they say on the box / a way to configure Homey (be it with a pc, phone or tablet).

A dashboard has never been a selling point,
Maybe you need a Zipato

Correct in the way that it wasn’t promised, but every company is wise if it listens to its customers and customers should be able to send a message on what they expect. And I think that this is why this topic was started and in my humble opinion a dashboard should be a priority to fully experience the domotica and based on this forum a lot of customers think the same.

1 Like

If Athom had 50+ employees, they probably would have done so.
But they don’t, it is still only a very small company, and are fully reliant on the community to help out.

We all want everything, and we all want it now.
But such a small team just can’t produce more then 24 hours a day, even if they wanted to.

1 Like

However that is one hand understandable, on the other hand: if you sell consumer products at shops like the Mediamarkt between products from large companies there also will be expectations and it’s also a business choice and therefore not an excuse.

Besides that there is nothing wrong with consumers letting a company know what in their opinion should be a priority, especially given the limited resources. I think each company should value such feedback.

But the real issue is not the limited resources if I read the blog about homey Ink correctly there is a much larger problem: Not assessing the needs and the wishes from consumers correctly and thinking for the consumers what they need/ want and don’t want/ need and that is in my opinion the real problem.

The assumptions and the real arguments used by athom is that:

  1. They think that people want a dashboard because it looks like Star Trek
  2. People want to use the dashboard on ancient tablets
  3. The energy use of those tablets would be high.

*“For some reason, home automation enthousiasts always want a wall-mounted dashboard. Maybe because it makes your home look like Star Trek? Who knows, but I must admit, they definitely look cool!” *

"Why we never created a dashboard:
Firstly, most people expect such a dashboard app to work on their ancient Android tablet that’s currently collecting dust in a drawer somewhere. There’s a good reason that those tablets aren’t used anymore: they’re slow. Very slow ."
“Another big concern is energy usage. A tablet that is always on uses a lot of energy, regardless it’s rarely being looked at. And not that many tablets have presence sensors, so eventually it might become quite expensive to keep the display on all the time.”

1 Like

Not sure how many enthusiasts you think homey has, but don’t think athom will think that way if there were more people that don’t care about a dashboard, then do care about having a dashboard.

If only 10% wants a dashboard I also would put my very limited time into other things then something the community can also build.
So as long as more people say “we want dashboards!” it will come, but if those requests stay way below that threshold, it will also be way low on their priority list.
The rule now just is, the more requests to Athom, the higher it will get on their priority list.

Just keep in mind, building a full fledged, changeable, dashboard, that probably will never meet everyone’s desires, takes a lot of time, not just a few weeks, but can take several months.

To me, a smart home shouldn’t need a dashboard. My smart home is voice controlled.
For situations where I don’t want to speak I use a switch or remote of some sort.

I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be a dashboard but i think a lot of us focus on different things. For me it’s much more important that Athome finish the fix/rewrite of the Zigbee protocol.

2 Likes

And this was my concern with this thread …

Is this a thread about how useful dashboards are, or about the Home Screen of the app?

Given the title of the thread, I believe that it would be best if we stuck with suggestions for improving the Home Screen for the iPhone and Andriod App. Rather then hypothetical discussions regarding Dashbaord.

I would like to see the Home pages, time line reduced to at least half its current size, I feel like its something I only need to see the first one or two items at a glance and if I want to see more … I can scroll.

There are lots of options what this freed up space could be used for, ‘most used’, ‘cameras’, ‘latest blog posts’, etc.

1 Like

In my understanding the topic was started (not by me) about the lacking of a native supported dashboard functionality for customers who are not technical.

The preferred way to control the homey (voice, phone of dashboard) is very personal of course and the circumstances could be different.
I’m glad that some other people want to control it by phone and there is nothing against that but there shouldn’t be nothing against an alternative as well. Let me explain what in my situation is the motivation:

  1. A dashboard for iPad (of other tablet) so that the device can be wall mounted and function as a dashboard but can also be used for other purposes (watching tv, Internet using youtube etc);
  2. To control lights, shutters etc and activate all kinds of the most relevant preselected scenes on this iPad by room and/or by system (on a central position or positions in the house between kitchen and living room (instead of a thermostaat));
  3. To see the weather forecast and a widget for news headlines, departure times of the trains at the nearby station…
  4. To see data like temperature and status of security devices etc.
  5. To see the door bird camera as an pop up when the bell rings and open the nuki lock automatically from this device;
  6. To see which music is being played (Spotify and/or Bluesound) and to be able to see the playlist in a seperate screen for parties.
    etc. etc.

When I’m working in the kitchen I don’t want to get my iPhone first to control something and when I’m at home I don’t walk around all day with my phone anyway. Besides this the dashboard should allow all people at home to use it. Not all my children have mobile telephones and a babysitter or another relatives or guests should also be able to control things around the house.
Since a dashboard would be very important, such an app should be stabil and supported by Athom so the continuity is guaranteed.

On this forum I see a lot of comments requesting such an app but on the other hand there sometimes seems little room for constructive criticism because some people have different opinions.

1 Like