# Will homey support Matter? **URL:** \ **Category:** Questions & Help\ **Created:** [May 12, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327 "2021-05-12T10:30:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hplos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/hplos/32/10096_2.png) [@hplos](https://community.homey.app/u/hplos)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/1 "2021-05-12T10:30:42Z")
I just saw this: [Smart home networking standard Project CHIP rebrands as 'Matter' | Engadget](https://www.engadget.com/chip-rebrand-matter-221410229.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHcQ0ic4yJ8ht20g2gB5FDFoTbgmVCCcnOJhyzVD9wMQc9c5U3lMh3ZdMBKvzHsYwlTZeIh_RIxfOqkCq67MsBwDSPtNuje_Jhs2VdH3hYZVm4FWTNRZv6DnkMGnMDMDo48wMXzv0l74uLm2BbunETQR7uA_8CQ1WUXEaJSHcvCM) I would love it if my homey would also support this. Is athom putting effort in supporting Matter? (is it just a matter of time? šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ ) ---
**Author:** ![DidierVU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/didiervu/32/12458_2.png) [@DidierVU](https://community.homey.app/u/DidierVU)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 10:38am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/2 "2021-05-12T10:38:06Z")
Maybe in 2028! Letā€™s first see which devices/products will be developed for Matterā€¦ And itā€™s just a fancier name for Zigbee with more communication between other protocols, so actually Homey IS Matter ---
**Author:** ![Martijn\_Hoogenbosch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/martijn_hoogenbosch/32/10647_2.png) [@Martijn\_Hoogenbosch](https://community.homey.app/u/Martijn_Hoogenbosch)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/3 "2021-05-12T11:55:18Z")
We donā€™t even know what it exactly isā€¦ I would assume current Zigbee is up-gradable to Matter, but I havenā€™t seen any details. Iā€™d say 2028 is a fair year šŸ˜‰ Seems to be an IP based protocolā€¦ itā€™s over my headā€¦ thatā€™s for sureā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/4 "2021-05-12T15:13:18Z")
ā€œDo you have an online harddrive, to use as extra storage?ā€ ā€œ_No, but we do have someting way better: cloud storage!_ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Russell\_S](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/russell_s/32/45779_2.png) [@Russell\_S](https://community.homey.app/u/Russell_S)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/5 "2021-05-12T15:13:43Z")
> [@DidierVU](#): > > Maybe in 2028! Letā€™s first see which devices/products will be developed for Matterā€¦ > And itā€™s just a fancier name for Zigbee with more communication between other protocols, so actually Homey IS Matter Chip and also Thread have been forecasted to be the future for home automation. All the big giants are behind it. Zigbee wonā€™t disappear quickly but if I was going to spend a lot of money setting up a new house and these newer devices are the same price Iā€™d be buying those insteadā€¦ I personally donā€™t bother with Zigbee. I just use Wifi and 433Mhz gear ā€¦ Far easier. Far cheaper. Far more reliableā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Russell\_S](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/russell_s/32/45779_2.png) [@Russell\_S](https://community.homey.app/u/Russell_S)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/6 "2021-05-12T15:24:06Z")
> [@Martijn\_Hoogenbosch](#): > > We donā€™t even know what it exactly isā€¦ I would assume current Zigbee is up-gradable to Matter, but I havenā€™t seen any details. Wouldnā€™t count on it. Manufacturers implementation of Zigbee has been a mess as it is. Id highly doubt they would go to the effort of upgrading existing products and all their firmware, let alone older products. Plus some chipsets may not have enough memory to allow for the extra code required. Knowing corporations they would be more inclined to make you throw all your Zigbee gear away and buy new onesā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Arjan\_Myer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/arjan_myer/32/40604_2.png) [@Arjan\_Myer](https://community.homey.app/u/Arjan_Myer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/7 "2021-05-12T15:37:07Z")
[Door Apple, Google en Amazon gesteunde smarthomestandaard gaat Matter heten](https://tweakers.net/nieuws/181552/door-apple-google-en-amazon-gesteunde-smarthomestandaard-gaat-matter-heten.html) ---
**Author:** ![Edwin\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edwin_d/32/136417_2.png) [@Edwin\_D](https://community.homey.app/u/Edwin_D)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/8 "2021-05-12T15:38:31Z")
As I read it, the Hue hub will support Matter. Zigbee is not IP based, so Zigbee in itself is not. So it is indeed a bit like Homey I presume, but also quite the opposite. Homey strategy I believe is to do away with the hubs of others (which is a nice Utopia to strive for, but an Utopia all the same). Matter seems like a way to have a gazillion hubs all talk to one another over IP. At least that is what I got out of it. But I may be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DidierVU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/didiervu/32/12458_2.png) [@DidierVU](https://community.homey.app/u/DidierVU)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/9 "2021-05-12T16:14:54Z")
I think the ā€œmasterhubā€ will be something like Apple HomeKit or Google Home in which you can control all Matter-devices. ---
**Author:** ![Edwin\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edwin_d/32/136417_2.png) [@Edwin\_D](https://community.homey.app/u/Edwin_D)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/10 "2021-05-12T17:18:09Z")
The beauty of z-wave and Zigbee is that they form a separate network i.m.o. So haking my lightbulb will not mean the hacker can zee my normal network traffic. Most users wonā€™t know how to create a dedicated IOT lan, kept safe from the rest. But at some point IP traffic will come into play, so Whatever Matter is, it will probably make things better if it is widely adopted. ---
**Author:** ![DaneedeKruyff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/daneedekruyff/32/964_2.png) [@DaneedeKruyff](https://community.homey.app/u/DaneedeKruyff)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/11 "2021-05-12T18:03:58Z")
Founder and Head of Technology at Philips Hue, George Yianni says: Bulbs will stay on Zigbee but be exposed to matter via the hue bridge. > So, Matter is kinda what Homey does. ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/12 "2021-05-12T18:21:24Z")
> [@DaneedeKruyff](#): > > So, Matter is kinda what Homey does. Homey (by itself) doesnā€™t really expose anything to potential ā€œconsumerā€ devices, so it would benefit from implementing Matter as a way to enable that exposure. ---
**Author:** ![Martijn\_C](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/martijn_c/32/39993_2.png) [@Martijn\_C](https://community.homey.app/u/Martijn_C)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/13 "2021-05-12T18:22:15Z")
Itā€™s probably just for the simple stuff (at least for now). For people that want to know if one product can talk to another. When they are shopping for lights, a socket or a switch. But for the advanced stuff, like with Homey or Fibaro, youā€™ll still need a central controller with dedicated brains. Homey can be opened up to Matter of course, which would expand the compatibility and user base. If theyā€™d need a hardware improvement is unknown. ---
**Author:** ![DaneedeKruyff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/daneedekruyff/32/964_2.png) [@DaneedeKruyff](https://community.homey.app/u/DaneedeKruyff)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/14 "2021-05-12T18:45:50Z")
Sure, I meant it in its essence, combining several protocols that by themselves canā€™t communicate with each other. ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/15 "2021-05-12T19:26:59Z")
Hmm okay, I see your point. To me, Matter is something completely different. It sounds (I havenā€™t really looked into it) mostly like an interoperability standard. So instead of needing different apps to implement Homey support for devices that each require their own API/access implementation, a ā€œMatterā€ app could interact with all other devices that speak that same protocol. And the opposite would also apply: Homey could expose all of _its_ devices (like Zigbee/Z-Wave) using the protocol, instead of needing separate implementations for Google Home, Alexa or Homekit (provided that Google, Amazon and Apple would implement Matter in their devices as well). Similar to what the Homie convention is trying to do. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gerard_l/32/30781_2.png) [@Gerard\_L](https://community.homey.app/u/Gerard_L)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 7:29am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/16 "2021-05-14T07:29:30Z")
Matter is a cloudless system likes homey. ---
**Author:** ![Edwin\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edwin_d/32/136417_2.png) [@Edwin\_D](https://community.homey.app/u/Edwin_D)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 7:51am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/17 "2021-05-14T07:51:12Z")
> [@Gerard\_L](#): > > cloudless system likes homey Off topic, but I would not label Homey cloudless. It may partially work without internet for a while, but it is far from cloud independent. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gerard_l/32/30781_2.png) [@Gerard\_L](https://community.homey.app/u/Gerard_L)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/18 "2021-05-14T11:08:56Z")
The homey app on iPad works direct connected to homey. You can test it when you disconnect internet from your WIFI router ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/19 "2021-05-14T11:11:09Z")
It will work up to a point, after that Homey will be marked ā€œofflineā€ and the app requires an internet connection to be able to access Homey again. Also, the web app is hosted in the cloud, so if your internet connection is gone you donā€™t have access to Insights and Homeyscript. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gerard_l/32/30781_2.png) [@Gerard\_L](https://community.homey.app/u/Gerard_L)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327/20 "2021-05-14T11:22:01Z")
Ok that right. But homey processes keeps running after disconnect internet. So you keep your home under control and this point is for me more important than the cloud controlled system. [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/will-homey-support-matter/47327.md?page=2)