# Virtual Devices Modes turn on vs turn mode on

**URL:** <https://community.homey.app/t/virtual-devices-modes-turn-on-vs-turn-mode-on/28795>\
**Category:** Questions & Help\
**Tags:** app, flow\
**Created:** [April 22, 2020, 7:21am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/virtual-devices-modes-turn-on-vs-turn-mode-on/28795 "2020-04-22T07:21:27Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![MortenE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/mortene/32/18143_2.png) [@MortenE](https://community.homey.app/u/MortenE)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 7:21am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/virtual-devices-modes-turn-on-vs-turn-mode-on/28795/1 "2020-04-22T07:21:27Z")

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Hi all!

I’m new here. But have worked as a programmer for two decades or so.

I find the Virtual Devices Modus feature very interesting. Especially because it works so well with Homeydash.  
I have crawled through everything about Virtual Devices in this forum. And the old one… But I cannot find any posts on this.

What is the difference between

1. Turn on
2. Turn mode on
3. Set mode on, no trigger

and off, respectively.

I would understand if there only were 2. and 3. But with 1. in the mix I’m confused.

Anyone care to explain?

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**Author:** ![PABben](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/pabben/32/30202_2.png) [@PABben](https://community.homey.app/u/PABben)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 2:00am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/virtual-devices-modes-turn-on-vs-turn-mode-on/28795/2 "2021-02-22T02:00:29Z")

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Did you ever find out? I’m still wondering… 🤔

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**Author:** ![MortenE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/mortene/32/18143_2.png) [@MortenE](https://community.homey.app/u/MortenE)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/virtual-devices-modes-turn-on-vs-turn-mode-on/28795/3 "2021-02-25T10:41:15Z")

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No, not really.

But I managed to achieve what I was looking for by trial and error (mostly error 🙂 ): A set of distinct modes like i.e. Holiday, At Home.

I would very much like somebody to explain this properly.

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**Author:** ![Rrrr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/rrrr/32/629_2.png) [@Rrrr](https://community.homey.app/u/Rrrr)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 9:24am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/virtual-devices-modes-turn-on-vs-turn-mode-on/28795/4 "2021-06-24T09:24:50Z")

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> [@What are Virtual Devices used for?](https://community.homey.app/t/what-are-virtual-devices-used-for/30019/17):
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> It s little more tricky. One thing to add: A flow can be triggered with the default trigger-cards ‘mode on|off’ or the custom trigger cards: ‘mode is on|off’. They work similar, but the big difference is that the custom trigger cards are not triggered when the mode is set in another flow with the action-cards ‘Set mode on|off, no trigger’. Apparently, there was a bug initially, but now it seems to work as intended: [image]