# Use Homey 2019 as backup when upgrading to Homey 2023? **URL:** \ **Category:** Questions & Help\ **Created:** [January 2, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214 "2025-01-02T13:36:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohanP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/johanp/32/119002_2.png) [@JohanP](https://community.homey.app/u/JohanP)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214/1 "2025-01-02T13:36:36Z")
I’m considering buying a Homey Pro 2023… I have the backup service. Can I : - Just set up the Homey 2023 and restore the backup from the 2019 ? - Leave the 2019 intact with all the devices, apps and flows ? - Occasionaly boot up the 2019 and restore a backup from the 2023 ? IE create a fall-back device I can start whenever the 2023 fails ? - Use the 2019 as a source for whenever the 2023 fails and the backupservice fails (like an 2nd backup), thus backup the 2019 again and restore on the 2023 ? Basicly, how flexible is the use of backups between 2 Homeys ? I understand it is not possible/wise to have two Homeys with the same config running at the same time, I do not wish to do so… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2025, 10:53pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214/2 "2025-01-03T22:53:39Z")
> [@JohanP](#): > > Just set up the Homey 2023 and restore the backup from the 2019 ? Yes, make sure the 19 is turned off. After restoring the backup: Zigbee devices need to be repaired (web app: right click and select “repair”), or, if it doesn’t work, re-pair the device by pushing it’s pair button > [@JohanP](#): > > Leave the 2019 intact with all the devices, apps and flows ? As long as you don’t start it when the the 23 is running. 2 devices running the same flows in parallels can get odd results. > [@JohanP](#): > > Occasionaly boot up the 2019 and restore a backup from the 2023 ? The backup will be incompatible (=assumption). And Zwave and zigbee devices won’t be recognized. As a failover Homey, you’d use a identical model. However, you can export/import any advanced flow though between old/new & new/old Homey. > [@JohanP](#): > > Use the 2019 as a source for whenever the 2023 fails and the backupservice fails (like an 2nd backup), thus backup the 2019 again and restore on the 2 When you stop backupping the 19, but keep it in your account, the last 7 backups will be kept (unless you delete them): > ![1000040654](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/c/6/c6ac5a56a5edc0aafe85a0074931978596b61ae3.jpeg) Summarised: you’ll need a Pro 23 as a real, fully usable failover machine. In my humble opinion of course. ### EDIT Just found this thread: even restoring Pro 23 backup to another Pro 23 doesn’t go smooth at all times. Depending on what brands, protocols & devices you use of course: > [@A story about "When Homey Pro breaks down and getting support"](https://community.homey.app/t/a-story-about-when-homey-pro-breaks-down-and-getting-support/106167): > > One morning decided to install the latest Homey Pro 2023 firmware update (1.3.1). Took the Homey app on my mobile and chose to update the Homey. Everything seemed to go fine and the device rebooted and came up an running. However I noticed that nope, it’s still running previous 10.2.1 version. So I told Homey to update itself again. Seemed that the update process is running again, however this time after reboot, I got the red circle of death. Meaning the the device didn’t reboot properly. Pul… ---
**Author:** ![JohanP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/johanp/32/119002_2.png) [@JohanP](https://community.homey.app/u/JohanP)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 8:56am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214/3 "2025-01-04T08:56:56Z")
Ok, looks like I need another plan for a 2nd, local backup. In the mentioned thread the poster spoke about a Homey USB tool ? There seems to be a backup procedure involving a pinhole and paperclip I heard… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214/4 "2025-01-04T21:07:42Z")
You can create (free of charge) local backups with the USB Tool. But Homey is offline during the procedure. And it can’t be performed automatically. > **[Connecting Homey Pro (Early 2023) to a PC or Mac with USB](https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/7263435817116-Connecting-Homey-Pro-Early-2023-to-a-PC-or-Mac-with-USB)** > > You can connect Homey Pro (Early 2023) to a PC or Mac to create a local backup, restore it, update the software, and perform a factory reset. Here, we walk you through how it works. > > 1. Unplug Home... ---
**Author:** ![JohanP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/johanp/32/119002_2.png) [@JohanP](https://community.homey.app/u/JohanP)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214/5 "2025-01-04T21:54:56Z")
The 2019 doesn’t have a pinhole, so not sure how to perform a local backup… There seems no way to boot the device other than the original S … ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/use-homey-2019-as-backup-when-upgrading-to-homey-2023/126214/6 "2025-01-04T21:59:25Z")
No it’s only for the Pro 23 Pro 19 (and older) can use cloud backups only.