# Sunset offset **URL:** \ **Category:** Flows\ **Created:** [August 31, 2023, 10:34am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458 "2023-08-31T10:34:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Henk\_de\_Boom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/henk_de_boom/32/71591_2.png) [@Henk\_de\_Boom](https://community.homey.app/u/Henk_de_Boom)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 10:34am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/1 "2023-08-31T10:34:38Z")
I like to start a flow X minutes before sunset. The sunset flowcard only allows X minutes after sunset. I tried it with -X minutes but this did not work. Anyone a solution for this? ---
**Author:** ![Theo\_de\_Koning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/theo_de_koning/32/136062_2.png) [@Theo\_de\_Koning](https://community.homey.app/u/Theo_de_Koning)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 11:09am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/2 "2023-08-31T11:09:05Z")
![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/c/5/c5e3752cb397d8d358637432b3b2d20ebd88f728.jpeg) Do you understand it this way? ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 12:35pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/3 "2023-08-31T12:35:46Z")
Do you probably mix up sunrise and sunset? This is the build-in flow-card _ **The sun sets in 10 minutes** _. So the flow is triggered/started 10 minutes **before sunset** : ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/b/f/bfa7f3f52bec53d35b4948fd57280ad56f53130d.png) So this should be exactly what you need, or do I misunderstand you? > [@Theo\_de\_Koning](#): > > ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/c/5/c5e3752cb397d8d358637432b3b2d20ebd88f728.jpeg) Since when is it possible to select or enter negative times in the sunrise and sunset cards? I have only the possibility to select the predefined times in a drop-down field. Negative times are not included. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/f/0/f05f901363d364e029c844c1c1f829f3254d4b2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 12:45pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/4 "2023-08-31T12:45:57Z")
Since Homey cloud 🤗 ![Screenshot_20230831-144735_Homey](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/5/a/5ab2a0db6677ee2f19d8b645649b08ef5241663e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/5 "2023-08-31T12:55:09Z")
So only with Homey Cloud? With my HP19 I’m not able to insert my own values, neither with normal flows nor with advanced flows. Only the drop-down field with the predefined values is available for me. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/6 "2023-08-31T13:05:17Z")
Same here with pro 2019. Don’t know what’s possible with pro 2023 sun event cards… Anyone here with a pro 2023? ---
**Author:** ![Mike1233](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/mike1233/32/20991_2.png) [@Mike1233](https://community.homey.app/u/Mike1233)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/7 "2023-08-31T13:14:01Z")
Just tested it. With the normal flows HP19 has a pull down menu with minutes. Like, 10, 15, 20 etc. HP23 has a free field to add the time, he accepts no negative times. So -10 can not be saved. Not tested with advanced flows. ---
**Author:** ![To\_Lou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/to_lou/32/79159_2.png) [@To\_Lou](https://community.homey.app/u/To_Lou)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/8 "2023-08-31T13:14:54Z")
What I miss is a And-card for ‘After xx min before sunset’. There is only And… After sunset. HP23 ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/9 "2023-08-31T13:23:05Z")
It’s very basic… You’ll need the [Sun Events app](https://homey.app/en-gb/app/com.cyclone-software.sunevents/Sun-Events/), that one is very versatile ![Screenshot_20230831-152132_Homey](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/c/c/cc0b5d6a56fb91bb39ca42de2121e5f3694bb6fe.jpeg) ![Screenshot_20230831-152102_Homey](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/1/3/134799e56be9b079e6b3a43c63f3c72c87fb9048.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![To\_Lou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/to_lou/32/79159_2.png) [@To\_Lou](https://community.homey.app/u/To_Lou)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/10 "2023-08-31T14:24:37Z")
Thanks, I’ve been thinking about that one for a while. I’m going for it now. Just thinking this kind of basic feature should really be standard. ---
**Author:** ![Henk\_de\_Boom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/henk_de_boom/32/71591_2.png) [@Henk\_de\_Boom](https://community.homey.app/u/Henk_de_Boom)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/11 "2023-08-31T14:33:09Z")
Yes, I think I interpreted it the wrong way. Thx. I will try tonight. Henk ---
**Author:** ![Theo\_de\_Koning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/theo_de_koning/32/136062_2.png) [@Theo\_de\_Koning](https://community.homey.app/u/Theo_de_Koning)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/12 "2023-08-31T14:49:54Z")
The sun event cards do it the other way around. That feels not logic to me so I use the Date & Time cards. On a HP2023. ---
**Author:** ![Henk\_de\_Boom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/henk_de_boom/32/71591_2.png) [@Henk\_de\_Boom](https://community.homey.app/u/Henk_de_Boom)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/13 "2023-09-01T13:30:58Z")
Failed last night because the wife removed the test lamp. So tonight another try. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/14 "2023-09-01T17:06:46Z")
> [@Henk\_de\_Boom](#): > > the wife removed the test lamp I always use notification cards (Timeline/Simple Log) as well, especially while testing. This way you see the result, even if the device is removed, or broken. ---
**Author:** ![Henk\_de\_Boom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/henk_de_boom/32/71591_2.png) [@Henk\_de\_Boom](https://community.homey.app/u/Henk_de_Boom)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 9:43am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/sunset-offset/88458/15 "2023-09-05T09:43:39Z")
So I mixed up sunrise and sunset. It works now. Thx.