# Seriously?! No grouping? No virtual devices?

**URL:** <https://community.homey.app/t/seriously-no-grouping-no-virtual-devices/94192>\
**Category:** Questions & Help\
**Created:** [November 9, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/seriously-no-grouping-no-virtual-devices/94192 "2023-11-09T17:40:45Z")\
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**Author:** ![Ste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/ste/32/34929_2.png) [@Ste](https://community.homey.app/u/Ste)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/seriously-no-grouping-no-virtual-devices/94192/1 "2023-11-09T17:40:45Z")

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I am testing Homey premium without controller and I can’t find a way to group bulbs or any other devices. Virtual devices, that can be the solution is also not available.  
Do I miss something or this is the reality with Homey?

My Zipato based setup use a lot of logic within the rules (http requests, variables, etc) and I am not ready to spend 400 euro just to find out that Homey is not what I am looking for.

Ex-Zipato advanced users are more then welcome with their Homey experience 🙂  
I’ll appreciate your inputs on the subject. Thanks!

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**Author:** ![Caseda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/caseda/32/138695_2.png) [@Caseda](https://community.homey.app/u/Caseda)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/seriously-no-grouping-no-virtual-devices/94192/2 "2023-11-09T17:46:31Z")

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For Homey (premium) there are indeed no virtual devices and a grouping app.  
That is all only for **Homey Pro** , either with an app (grouping) or build-in (socket and button) or if you want more advanced/extended virtual devices there are a few apps that extends that to pretty much infinite possibilities.  
Homey (premium) is pretty much for starters in home automation, you don’t sound anything like a starter though.  
Or did you expect the Homey (premium) to be able to do the same as a €400 device will do, for just €3 a month.

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**Author:** ![Ste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/ste/32/34929_2.png) [@Ste](https://community.homey.app/u/Ste)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/seriously-no-grouping-no-virtual-devices/94192/3 "2023-11-09T18:22:19Z")

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You have a point about the price, but I have already Fibaro HC3 getting dust around. Ok, thanks!