# My first experience and oppinion with 2.0 **URL:** \ **Category:** Off-Topic\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953 "2019-01-16T08:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/21 "2019-01-17T13:32:31Z")
Regardless of how I feel about the new v2.0 app or the new v2.0 core. The under lying code has had a massive shake up, where the code from the app is now completely separate from the core (as a start). And the app just used the webAPI to interact. It has broken backwards compatibility, it looks and acts completely different user expectations created in v1 (icons like the broken links etc etc) have all been over hauled. And the UI is ‘new’ (cough apple/material). And of course there is the marketing reasons. So to answer your question. Yes absolutely I feel like it deserves a 2.0 moniker. I feel like arguments about it are largely pointless, and this will be my last post regarding it. * * * In regards to the desktop app pros/cons, if you would like to continue to discuss that I suggest you head on over to the thread made specifically for that topic. [Here.](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341) * * * I don’t disagree with some of the limitations of the current app, (let me write notes for a flow, or search for them, etc) and[there is a thread here](https://community.homey.app/t/positive-feedback-on-homey-v2-0-and-future-ideas-keep-them-comming/7012/10) which explains what to do about it. * * * Athom has and will continue to struggle for ‘balance’ - for ever, and not really through ally fault of there own. Simply put - you can please everyone. The more changes to make for every day users (let remove that wall button that does nothing) the more upset the power users will get (Where is my crappy html desktop website). But thats really just the tip of the ice berg, i’ve been watching the same people complain about the priorities of athom (apps, features, stability, compatibility) - stating X should be the highest priority, only to later state Y should be the highest priority. (in one case it was with in 24 hours). * * * I personally want Athom to do what ever they need to do sell more Homies. More Homey = More money = More resources = More Apps/Features/Stability. ---
**Author:** ![rafi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/rafi/32/4052_2.png) [@rafi](https://community.homey.app/u/rafi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/22 "2019-01-17T16:39:49Z")
I just lost my patience. They announce this is the stable version. Joke. Every update some of the apps stop working e.g Fibaro, the update was done automatically 2 hours ago and none of my Fibaro sensors work any more. The same with other apps. Really waste of money for that controller. The support doesn’t care either. I can only see those lovely emails describing all functionalities of the new v.2.0 OS. Again waste of money. I just lost half of the functionalities when upgraded to the leastest release. ---
**Author:** ![JLE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jle/32/160359_2.png) [@JLE](https://community.homey.app/u/JLE)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/23 "2019-01-17T16:52:37Z")
I think the app is OK, I don’t miss the desktop that much. I have used V2 since RC1 came out. Still I agree that the app needs more work to be finished. History takes to much space. It would be better to have a front page that looks like a dashboard with possibility to show temps etc. What I also miss is acces control where admin can change flows and settings, and other users only can control equipment. It’s not very safe to give kids access to the app like it is now. Most of all I think Homey V2 is better than 1.5 and I believe it will be even better in the future. ---
**Author:** ![rafi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/rafi/32/4052_2.png) [@rafi](https://community.homey.app/u/rafi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/24 "2019-01-17T16:57:34Z")
You’re very optimistic. Since the upgrade I see more and more bugs with apps. Like I said half of the functionality is already gone. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Moores](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/alex_moores/32/9428_2.png) [@Alex\_Moores](https://community.homey.app/u/Alex_Moores)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/25 "2019-01-17T19:09:38Z")
with no desktop app or web if the internet goes down i have no way of controlling homey - this is it’s biggest selling point over smartthings IMO ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/26 "2019-01-17T19:16:10Z")
> [@Alex\_Moores](#): > > with no desktop app or web if the internet goes down i have no way of controlling homey Why would you need a desktop or web app to control Homey if the internet goes down? The mobile app can control Homey over the local network in that situation. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Moores](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/alex_moores/32/9428_2.png) [@Alex\_Moores](https://community.homey.app/u/Alex_Moores)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/27 "2019-01-18T18:20:17Z")
really? i tried last night (when my internet went down) it wouldn’t connect ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/28 "2019-01-18T18:21:34Z")
If that’s the case, it’s worth mentioning to Athom ([https://support.athom.com/hc/en-us/requests/new](https://support.athom.com/hc/en-us/requests/new)), because they have claimed that it _should_ work locally when your internet connection is offline. ---
**Author:** ![anon8748058](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anon8748058](https://community.homey.app/u/anon8748058)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/29 "2019-01-18T18:41:36Z")
That’s strange @Dijker took the effort to do some testing with one of the Alpha releases: > [@Homey's Offline capabilities tested! \[v2.0.0-rc.x\]](https://community.homey.app/t/homeys-offline-capabilities-tested-v2-0-0-rc-x/5775): > > Often People ask what happens if Homey can’t connect to Internet. From the “Old” Support site, updated with our current knowledge: Functionality that requires internet Homey uses the internet for a number of things, including: Setup/authentication/updates/installing of Apps from App store Voice Recognition (Speect To Text / STT) Athom Cloud Connection for fe Presence detection Certain Apps (Think about all cloud services, including many online Thermostats) Offline possibilities Offline H… He used version 2.0.0-rc7 and for him everything kept working. ---
**Author:** ![EddieX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/eddiex/32/4526_2.png) [@EddieX](https://community.homey.app/u/EddieX)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/30 "2019-01-18T19:00:23Z")
Hi, as this is my first Homey into my existing smarthouse i do think there is Room for improvment. I see / read that the IR functions has some issues. My expirience is that IR is not working property. I got the latest 2.0 firmware. I see that there is a lot of apps that not are working. Specialy the network apps. (Ping or device check). I am not soure what the problem is, but i am not able to connect my Homey om Bluetooth. My last “bad” experience. My Homey does stop prosessing the flows… I have to reboot it to get it back on track. (And i have’nt found any auto-reboot, local flows to reboot, etc) Som for the goddies… It was easy to adopt it into domotics thru webhook/api. The logic in flows its easy for human logic and use cases. The app that Are working is working like a charm… I see that the new pro is annouced. I would prefered to get a stable firmware instead of a new product. Tnx, Eddie ---
**Author:** ![EddieX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/eddiex/32/4526_2.png) [@EddieX](https://community.homey.app/u/EddieX)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/32 "2019-01-18T19:58:50Z")
Bluetooth May be used for presents of devices in the house… Nfc need to be close and Wi-Fi is to fare away. ---
**Author:** ![rafi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/rafi/32/4052_2.png) [@rafi](https://community.homey.app/u/rafi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/33 "2019-01-18T22:40:43Z")
Loads of issues with Fibaro RGBW controller. Not usable any more. I’ve bee adding, re-adding no difference. Just bad at my self as I believed in slogan - stable version. Again using only the phone for the setup is pain in the back side. Who cares… ---
**Author:** ![K\_S](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/k_s/32/11635_2.png) [@K\_S](https://community.homey.app/u/K_S)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/34 "2019-01-25T15:12:18Z")
> [@Koen\_Martens](#): > > I think the main current problems on the forum boil down to a single issue: the people that have a Homey are tech-enthousiasts, while Homey is made for non-tech-enthousiasts. Really - I think you must mean the other way around. It’s seems to me built entirely for tech-enthusiasts. It’s certainly not suitable for mainstream / family users. ---
**Author:** ![Koen\_Martens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Koen\_Martens](https://community.homey.app/u/Koen_Martens)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/35 "2019-01-25T15:37:42Z")
> [@K\_S](#): > > Really - I think you must mean the other way around. It’s seems to me built entirely for tech-enthusiasts. It’s certainly not suitable for mainstream / family users. Please take a look at the actual competition in the field before saying something like this. Hardware/software that can do roughly the same as Homey are: Domoticz: Here you have to install your own Raspberry Pi with their software, add Zwave, 433 MHz sticks, etc ports, install them all via command line interface on the RPi. Next to this (and correct me if I’m wrong here), Domoticz doesn’t automatically support something like Homey’s flows, but can only be observed/interacted with from a dashboard (which again, you have to build yourself). Home Assistant: Here you again, have to flash your own RaspPi and add Zwave, 433 MHz and Zigbee if wanted. For configuring you have to write your own code (much like writing Homey’s apps), and settings need to be edited via command line interface. Homey is absolutely the easiest amongst the home automation hubs you can have (which support multiple protocols and actual automation rather than a fancy remote). I agree with you that it’s not suitable for tech-impaired people, but it is **much** more accessible than other options out there. ---
**Author:** ![K\_S](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/k_s/32/11635_2.png) [@K\_S](https://community.homey.app/u/K_S)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/36 "2019-01-25T15:59:57Z")
> [@Koen\_Martens](#): > > Please take a look at the actual competition in the field before saying something like this I have. In many respects Fibaro for example is far superior (reliability, built-in apps for heating, alarms, restricted user access, etc.). Sure the UI isn’t as pretty, but at least it works. However, my observation has nothing to do with home automation competition - it’s relative to normal human beings at home that have some familiarity with consumer applications. Your reference to “tech-impaired people” made me belly laugh! - that is exactly the kind of attitude that allows such poor design to persist and keep products from being successful at scale. ---
**Author:** ![Koen\_Martens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Koen\_Martens](https://community.homey.app/u/Koen_Martens)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/37 "2019-01-25T16:09:13Z")
> [@K\_S](#): > > I have. In many respects Fibaro for example is far superior (reliability, built-in apps for heating, alarms, restricted user access, etc.). Sure the UI isn’t as pretty, but at least it works. Never looked into this one (assume you mean Fibaro Home Center?), but right of the bat I see that it has less options with respect to compatible devices (only internet and ZWave), and I don’t see a way to perform _automation_ with it other than writing LUA scripts (automation, not control). (And it’s like 2x Homey’s price) EDIT: Appears I’m wrong here, looks like you can do basic automation via ‘Magic scenes’ > [@K\_S](#): > > However, my observation has nothing to do with home automation competition - it’s relative to normal human beings at home that have some familiarity with consumer applications. Your reference to “tech-impaired people” made me belly laugh! - that is exactly the kind of attitude that allows such poor design to persist and keep products from being successful at scale. But that’s not a fair comparison. I’m very sure that nobody would say that dairy herding is a high-tech job, or only for the tech-enthousiasts, but you can make it much more technologically complex than the standard herder 10 years ago if you want to ([http://www.scrdairy.com/](http://www.scrdairy.com/)). ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/38 "2019-01-25T18:45:35Z")
> [@Koen\_Martens](#): > > Please take a look at the actual competition in the field Okay, instead of open source projects that are _not_ the actual competition (because Homey isn’t open source, it’s a hardware platform running proprietary software), let’s look at an actual competitor: > **[SmartThings | Apps & Services | Samsung TEST](https://www.samsung.com/us/smartthings/)** > > Make life easier by automating your home with SmartThings. Control and monitor your compatible devices through a single app and build your own smart home. $70, supports Zigbee and Z-Wave, has a nice-looking dashboard, has an automations UI, and has a well-enough API so that third-parties can provide a full browser-based automations interface too. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_M\_Madsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/erik_m_madsen/32/18191_2.png) [@Erik\_M\_Madsen](https://community.homey.app/u/Erik_M_Madsen)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/39 "2019-01-25T21:11:11Z")
I`m actually thinking of buying Smarthings Hub, just for test, maybe indstead of Homey, who knows… ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/40 "2019-01-25T22:01:50Z")
Same here, it’s cheap enough! ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_M\_Madsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/erik_m_madsen/32/18191_2.png) [@Erik\_M\_Madsen](https://community.homey.app/u/Erik_M_Madsen)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/my-first-experience-and-oppinion-with-2-0/6953/41 "2019-01-25T22:12:44Z")
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