# Flow without 'when' basically a scene

**URL:** <https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571>\
**Category:** Flows\
**Created:** [February 6, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571 "2020-02-06T16:14:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![edo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edo/32/9647_2.png) [@edo](https://community.homey.app/u/edo)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571/1 "2020-02-06T16:14:59Z")

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Hi, sorry if this is a very basic question.  
when working with flows, can I create ‘scenes’ with a group of lights?  
I have about 20 devices and want to make standard scenes with these lights.  
Rather than having to add all the lights individually to a flow I would like to call a scene:  
example: a scene in which all lving room lights are full bright: ‘livingroom full’  
That I can call at the end if a flow: when: sunrise and; weekday: then: livingroom full.  
I can call a flow but in that flow I would need a ‘when’ .  
To many words for a simple question that is surely explained elsewhere… thanks and sorry.

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**Author:** ![cjvs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cjvs/32/8115_2.png) [@cjvs](https://community.homey.app/u/cjvs)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571/2 "2020-02-06T16:22:54Z")

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To trigger your scene “full” use the _Flow_ card _When this flow is started_ in the **when** section  
To start the scene “full” us the _Flow_ card _Start_ _ **full** _ in the _then_ section

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**Author:** ![edo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edo/32/9647_2.png) [@edo](https://community.homey.app/u/edo)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571/3 "2020-02-06T16:29:43Z")

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Yes!  
Excellent, much appreciated.  
Cheers,

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**Author:** ![FKey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/fkey/32/14793_2.png) [@FKey](https://community.homey.app/u/FKey)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571/4 "2020-02-06T21:21:45Z")

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A little “advertising” for the post I made myself on [“how to structure flows”](https://community.homey.app/t/how-to-structure-your-flows/25109) 😉 (including builiding scenes flows)

Hope it helps

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**Author:** ![edo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edo/32/9647_2.png) [@edo](https://community.homey.app/u/edo)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/flow-without-when-basically-a-scene/25571/5 "2020-02-07T16:38:46Z")

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Valid ad!  
Thanks, very useful … if I find the time to actually work on it…