# \[Feature Request\] Groups **URL:** \ **Category:** Ideas & Suggestions\ **Tags:** featurerequest\ **Created:** [July 23, 2020, 6:37am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703 "2020-07-23T06:37:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LegenDaryM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/legendarym/32/27409_2.png) [@LegenDaryM](https://community.homey.app/u/LegenDaryM)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:37am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/1 "2020-07-23T06:37:00Z")
Problem: I have multiple lamps with multiple spots. So normally I wanna turn on/off a lamp but when creating a flow I need to select all 3 spots to turn off all the ligts. Example: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/8/a/8ab0c7b2c1ad91e3bfe630e34b797f97ee4307ff.jpeg) So now I created a “workflow” to act as one lamp… so this is only pollution of my flows because its not a “flow”. I would like to be able to create groups of the same device, so I can easily dim or turn on/off a lamp. I wanna use those groups for more things so I can reduce my flows, like my blinds, got 8 of them. ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:39am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/2 "2020-07-23T06:39:28Z")
Then use the app Group: > **[\< Gruppe \>](https://homey.app/de-de/app/com.swttt.devicegroups/<-Gruppe->/)** > > Ermöglicht das Gruppieren von Geräten zur Steuerung und Berichterstattung aller Geräte innerhalb einer Gruppe. ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/3 "2020-07-23T06:42:20Z")
> [@LegenDaryM](#): > > I wanna use those groups for more things so I can reduce my flows, like my blinds, got 8 of them. Be aware that Homey may have problems handling that many devices at once (where the symptoms would be that one or more random devices in a group don’t do what you want them to do). ---
**Author:** ![Osorkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/osorkon/32/43026_2.png) [@Osorkon](https://community.homey.app/u/Osorkon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/4 "2020-07-23T06:45:09Z")
> [@robertklep](#): > > Be aware that Homey may have problems handling that many devices at once But everything gets better with Homey v5, doesn’t it ?! 😀😂 ---
**Author:** ![LegenDaryM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/legendarym/32/27409_2.png) [@LegenDaryM](https://community.homey.app/u/LegenDaryM)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:56am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/5 "2020-07-23T06:56:22Z")
Hmm I think I have seen that behavior ☹ Guess that issues has high priority at homey? ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:57am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/6 "2020-07-23T06:57:53Z")
It hasn’t had a high priority since it was introduced in firmware v2. Time will tell if v5 fixes these problems (but somehow I doubt it). ---
**Author:** ![LegenDaryM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/legendarym/32/27409_2.png) [@LegenDaryM](https://community.homey.app/u/LegenDaryM)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:00am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/7 "2020-07-23T07:00:37Z")
I tried that app, but here I have to install lamps again as group? I want to make groups of existing devices. (feels like a feature homey should have tho) ---
**Author:** ![MrFloppy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/mrfloppy/32/16088_2.png) [@MrFloppy](https://community.homey.app/u/MrFloppy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/8 "2020-07-23T07:17:12Z")
No you can create a group from existing devices. After adding they still exist as individual devices. ---
**Author:** ![Martijn\_Hoogenbosch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/martijn_hoogenbosch/32/10647_2.png) [@Martijn\_Hoogenbosch](https://community.homey.app/u/Martijn_Hoogenbosch)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:35am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/9 "2020-07-23T07:35:49Z")
Don’t think so too. V5 is focused on zigbee s far as I can tell. From what I understand the problem is with the handling of the actions. It used to be in sequence and now is performed parallel. Don’t know if it is just a mess in the code or resources issues. So agree with not a priority in v5. ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/10 "2020-07-23T07:52:44Z")
I don’t think this is a special problem of Homey, at least not concerning Z-Wave. With my Fibaro HC2 I have also always built in switching delays. This was even a recommendation from the German Fibaro distributor. That’s why I also do this with Homey commands, and not only those concerning Z-Wave. In the Group-App you can also add switching delays. ---
**Author:** ![Shakesbeard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/shakesbeard/32/15112_2.png) [@Shakesbeard](https://community.homey.app/u/Shakesbeard)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/11 "2020-07-23T07:52:55Z")
hmm. Why not just go via the build-in Zones feature? Never had an issue. But I also have no zigbee lights though. ---
**Author:** ![Osorkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/osorkon/32/43026_2.png) [@Osorkon](https://community.homey.app/u/Osorkon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/12 "2020-07-23T08:05:15Z")
> [@DirkG](#): > > I don’t think this is a special problem of Homey, at least not concerning Z-Wave. I switch over 20 Z-Wave devices in a Group and it works 100% reliable! So, there are Gateways that can handle it. ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/13 "2020-07-23T08:22:13Z")
That’s not what I said at all. I’m just saying that it’s not a specific problem with homey. With Homey I haven’t tried to switch 20 devices at once. You did it, right? What is your experience? Anyway, I think ex-homey users should not be allowed to criticize Homey… 😜 But that’s missing the point now. @LegenDaryM, you don’t say which lamps you use. With the Philips Hue App it is also possible to turn on and off all the lights in a room. I would say just try it. The Group App and the build-in zones. ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/14 "2020-07-23T08:24:36Z")
> [@DirkG](#): > > I don’t think this is a special problem of Homey, at least not concerning Z-Wave. It used to be not such a problem before the flow rewrite of v2, after that it appeared (or at least it was much more noticable). ---
**Author:** ![Osorkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/osorkon/32/43026_2.png) [@Osorkon](https://community.homey.app/u/Osorkon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:37am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/15 "2020-07-23T08:37:11Z")
> [@DirkG](#): > > You did it, right? What is your experience? 👎 > [@DirkG](#): > > Anyway, I think ex-homey users should not be allowed to criticize Homey… 😜 I keep my shut up and lean back and relax. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:39am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/16 "2020-07-23T08:39:18Z")
Okay, I didn’t know that. I don’t have the homey that long. Is it independent of the protocol? Or is this a problem only with Z-Wave or Zigbee or…? ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:52am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/17 "2020-07-23T08:52:04Z")
> [@DirkG](#): > > Is it independent of the protocol? Yes, although it looks like it’s related to anything that depends on some sort of radio (Zigbee/Z-Wave/WiFi/RF). ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/18 "2020-07-23T10:03:24Z")
@LegenDaryM, another thing you can do is to create one flow for each lamp group you want to switch on or off. **When…** This flow is started **And…** Lamp X is off (it is enough if only one lamp of the group is listed) **Then…** Switch Lamp 1 on Switch Lamp 2 on Switch Lamp 3 on … Switch Lamp 10 on **Else…** Switch Lamp 1 off Switch Lamp 2 off Switch Lamp 3 off … Switch Lamp 10 off It is only necessary to start these flows from different other flows. Advantage: No additional app necessary (saves resources) No additional devices necessary (clearer) Opposite the built-in zones, individual lamp groups can be switched in one room The other flows remain clearer and can be edited faster Disadvantage: You have additional flows (possibly more confusing) ---
**Author:** ![Zimo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/zimo/32/16621_2.png) [@Zimo](https://community.homey.app/u/Zimo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 8:37am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/19 "2020-07-27T08:37:38Z")
For me it’s not really about turning on/off of more devices. I have scenes which set-up specific color of several z-wave lamps (3-4). Funny thing that all the time every lamp has different color (usually not expected one). When I set it manually - everything is OK. Issue is only via flow and same with group as separately and same issue with delay… ---
**Author:** ![robertklep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robertklep/32/160628_2.png) [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703/20 "2020-07-27T08:57:40Z")
> [@Zimo](#): > > For me it’s not really about turning on/off of more devices. I have scenes which set-up specific color of several z-wave lamps (3-4) The issue isn’t so much turning on/off, it’s sending commands (on/off, dim, color, etc) to multiple devices. The problems you’re describing fit the problem. [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-groups/32703.md?page=2)