# Determine if device works without cloud/internet
**URL:** https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555
**Category:** Questions & Help
**Created:** [December 14, 2021, 9:35am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555 "2021-12-14T09:35:41Z")
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### Author:  [@josserke84](https://community.homey.app/u/josserke84)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 9:35am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/1 "2021-12-14T09:35:41Z")
Is there currently already a way to determine if a device that can be connected to Homey works completely local/without internet connection without going through all the threads?
I noticed that quite a lot of devices need a cloud connection for Homey to retrieve data.
This is either for the Homey app needing internet connection for retrieving the data as the device/native app needing internet connection.
Bottomline is that I don’t want my devices’ functionality to break when there is no internet connection. The option to have them operate outside of my network using an internet/cloud connection is not a breaking feature. It should just work just fine without.
Any suggestions for following devices would already be appreciated:
- doorbell with camera - eufy seemed to check all the boxes, but this also seems to need cloud/internet
- thermostat (central heating) - plugwise?
- door lock
- security camera
Thanks in advance.
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### Author:  [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/2 "2021-12-14T10:57:07Z")
Generally, if the official app for the device requires you to make an account and log in before you can control the device, you can assume it uses a cloud service (although some brands use a mix of cloud and local control).
You can also look at the app pages on the Homey app store to see if the documentation provides a clue whether it works locally or not.
All of the above applies to WiFi-devices. If the device uses a protocol like Zigbee, Z-Wave or Bluetooth, ánd they work without an additional hub, they work locally.
But beware: Homey itself doesn’t always function very well without an internet connection!
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### Author:  [@josserke84](https://community.homey.app/u/josserke84)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/3 "2021-12-14T11:31:51Z")
What you mention is exactly why I try to avoid IP devices as much as possible and use zigbee mostly.
Your comment also highlights the issue I see. It’s not very straight forward.
It would be nice if devices could be given a tag or smt showing if it would fully/partially without internet/cloud connection.
Especially since the fact that homey used to advertise about working fully locally in the beginning ([The magical cloud behind Homey — Behind the Magic | Homey](https://homey.app/en-ie/blog/cloud-magic-behind-homey/)) .
I never encountered homey to be without an active internet connection, but according to the FAQ this should work fine as long you are not trying to connect to a cloud service ([https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/360015685913-Securing-Homey-Pro](https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/360015685913-Securing-Homey-Pro))? What other issues could one expect?
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### Author:  [@robertklep](https://community.homey.app/u/robertklep)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 12:02pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/4 "2021-12-14T12:02:10Z")
> [@josserke84](#):
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> I never encountered homey to be without an active internet connection, but according to the FAQ this should work fine as long you are not trying to connect to a cloud service ([https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/360015685913-Securing-Homey-Pro](https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/360015685913-Securing-Homey-Pro))? What other issues could one expect?
A common issue is that the Homey app will complain that Homey is offline, and you can’t control it (although Homey will still be able to run flows for devices that don’t depend on an internet connection).
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### Author:  [@JPe4619](https://community.homey.app/u/JPe4619)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/5 "2021-12-14T14:18:44Z")
> **[The magical cloud behind Homey](https://homey.app/en-ie/blog/cloud-magic-behind-homey/)**
This is for the web-based- Homey, are you asking for that or for Homey-Pro?
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### Author:  [@josserke84](https://community.homey.app/u/josserke84)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/6 "2021-12-14T14:30:46Z")
My question is for the Homey Pro idd
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/determine-if-device-works-without-cloud-internet/56555/7 "2021-12-14T19:28:51Z")
> [@josserke84](#):
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> - doorbell with camera
> - thermostat (central heating) - plugwise?
> - door lock
> - security camera
- Not sure if it’s your thing: attach a zigbee vibration sensor to the “bell”, and point an IP cam to the front door step. This way it can send notifications, and snapshots of the visitors.
- Plugwise zigbee: [Plugwise Zigbee Support App for Homey | Homey](https://homey.app/en-us/app/com.plugwise.zigbee/Plugwise-Zigbee-Support/) (not in use by me)
- Nuki local app: [Homey Community Store](https://store.homey.community/app/nuki.homey) (not in use by me)
- I use the Onvif protocol with my cams and use their local IP’s: [ONVIF Camera App for Homey | Homey](https://homey.app/en-us/app/com.onvif/ONVIF-Camera/)