# Athom's Decision for Mobile First and removing of the Desktop Interface/WEB UI in Homey v2.0.0 **URL:** \ **Category:** Ideas & Suggestions\ **Created:** [December 11, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341 "2018-12-11T20:40:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Caseda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/caseda/32/138695_2.png) [@Caseda](https://community.homey.app/u/Caseda)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/22 "2018-12-11T07:50:50Z")
They already announced so many times that they will **not** create a web interface themselves, and that it will need to come from the community šŸ˜‰ Only a dashboard is(was?) on the timeline, which is meant for just controlling your devices, no flow editing. ---
**Author:** ![Bart\_Teunissen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/bart_teunissen/32/877_2.png) [@Bart\_Teunissen](https://community.homey.app/u/Bart_Teunissen)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 8:11am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/23 "2018-12-11T08:11:50Z")
Have you got a source to go with your statement? ---
**Author:** ![Caseda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/caseda/32/138695_2.png) [@Caseda](https://community.homey.app/u/Caseda)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/24 "2018-12-11T08:22:53Z")
1,5 years of slack and direct communication with athom is my source. But you can of course ask athom themselves if you donā€™t want to believe me. ---
**Author:** ![Niels\_Veldman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/niels_veldman/32/31632_2.png) [@Niels\_Veldman](https://community.homey.app/u/Niels_Veldman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:24am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/25 "2018-12-11T10:24:03Z")
Thereā€™s lots of users recommending products to friends, families, colleagues. I will not recommend Homey anymore, without web interface. ā€˜Normalā€™ users cannot configure flows on mobile, for sure not complex flows. Think about people with bad eyes or visually handicapped people. Itā€™s their choice to not create a web interface, but they will loose revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Bart\_Teunissen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/bart_teunissen/32/877_2.png) [@Bart\_Teunissen](https://community.homey.app/u/Bart_Teunissen)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/26 "2018-12-11T10:53:40Z")
I feel the same way about this. You need the web / desktop app to decently create the needed flows. ---
**Author:** ![Niels\_Veldman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/niels_veldman/32/31632_2.png) [@Niels\_Veldman](https://community.homey.app/u/Niels_Veldman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/27 "2018-12-11T11:09:11Z")
I can understand they donā€™t develop a desktop app. But create a good web app that can be used on PC/Mac/Tablet/phones. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/28 "2018-12-11T12:08:12Z")
Guys, Caseda has patiently told you their stance. Further to that , this should not be a surprise, he is an announcement (not even the first) from over 18 months ago. > **[Homey v2.0 and the future - Athom Blog](https://blog.athom.com/homey-v2-0-future/)** > > At Athom, we are always working to bring the best experience to as many people possible. Recently we've announced that as of Homey v2.0 all desktop inter... You should be aware that this is a community forums, which means - Athom are not actively reading the forums. Iā€™m not entirely sure who you are complaining to or making threats too , about leaving, ---
**Author:** ![Niels\_Veldman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/niels_veldman/32/31632_2.png) [@Niels\_Veldman](https://community.homey.app/u/Niels_Veldman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/29 "2018-12-11T12:38:10Z")
Am I attacking Caseda? Itā€™s not a surprise that itā€™s mobile-only. Itā€™s a surprise to me (as normal end-user) how it works. This beta is the first time I see it. I personally (my opinion) feel itā€™s not very good. But thatā€™s my opinion, nobody has to share my feelings. I am not saying this because Athom is reading or not, I am saying because itā€™s my feeling. The same goes for saying I will not recommend Homey anymore. Am I making threats? No, I am not. I am just sharing my feelings. I think itā€™s my choice whether to like Homeyā€™s mobile-only approach. I donā€™t like it, thatā€™s my opinion and anyone can disagree with me. Maybe for most people it works, thatā€™s ok. I am not sure why you are writing me. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/30 "2018-12-11T13:03:02Z")
@Niels_Veldman Hi Niels, sorry for the misunderstanding, I just hit the reply - my post was in reference to the entire thread and not anything you specifically said šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jakow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@Jakow](https://community.homey.app/u/Jakow)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/31 "2018-12-11T18:58:13Z")
Well Athom may have strong feelings about desktop or web apps for now. But past has shown people and companies are not always right. Community and consumer backlash has pushed others to reconsider their decisions. It seems that Athom is modelling their policy like Apple. That isnā€™t bad but they should also look what Apple has done wrong. Remember when Homekit was mobile only? Even Apple was wrong for going mobile only and has brought same app to Mac after years and years. Homepod is doing bad because of limitations that Apple has put on it. Even Google has made similar decisions. Athom and Homey canā€™t afford to loose customers or recommendations from that same customers. They should listen very closely to buyers because their opinion is what could make it or brake it for Athom. Iā€™m not saying that they should do everything or anything but take your head out of the sand and listen. If they need outside help for development then say so but they should at least port app to desktop. ---
**Author:** ![Robin\_van\_Kekem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/robin_van_kekem/32/8187_2.png) [@Robin\_van\_Kekem](https://community.homey.app/u/Robin_van_Kekem)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/32 "2018-12-11T19:07:38Z")
Then youā€™ll lose some of the native functionality like geofencing, lower latency (interface is on mobile device instead of on Homey, which in turn saves resources on Homey) and for Android call integration. Just to name a few. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Medin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/michael_medin/32/2311_2.png) [@Michael\_Medin](https://community.homey.app/u/Michael_Medin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/33 "2018-12-11T19:35:50Z")
Just thought Iā€™d add my voice as well to the lack of a web UIā€¦ I will for sure not upgrade unless there is a web UI :ā€™( I just hope that athom reconsiders this if enough of us let them knowā€¦ ā€œProgrammingā€ on a mobile device (which is what they are pushing) is not really productive, especially as you frequently use ā€œa referenceā€ or ā€œguideā€ at the same time which a mobile device wont allow you to do (as most mobile device does not support split-screen). I also frequently have multiple flows ā€œopenā€ at the same time so I can switch between them which again is not possible on a mobile deviceā€¦ and lets not start with ergonomics and disability issues as mentioned aboveā€¦ When I heard this I assume they meant dropping the ā€œPC container appā€ and just having the WEB UI for PC users, not drop support for PC/MAC all together. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Medin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/michael_medin/32/2311_2.png) [@Michael\_Medin](https://community.homey.app/u/Michael_Medin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/35 "2018-12-11T19:50:36Z")
Hmm, @Rocodamelshekima I would say the Lack of a WEB UI is related to the 2.0 firmware and a huge finding (for me)ā€¦ so not sure why it would not be on-topic? The fact that you or other may have been discussing it long does not mean it is not relevant for the rest of usā€¦ Now I understand it might not be the findings athom wants to hear, but this is the community not the athom PR departmentā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Seraphim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/seraphim/32/8879_2.png) [@Seraphim](https://community.homey.app/u/Seraphim)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/36 "2018-12-11T21:15:47Z")
> [@Dijker](#): > > Feel free to discuss it here with others who have time and meaning to discuss it. Great to see how important the community is for Athomā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Rocodamelshekima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/rocodamelshekima/32/8209_2.png) [@Rocodamelshekima](https://community.homey.app/u/Rocodamelshekima)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/37 "2018-12-11T21:21:04Z")
I hate it that the web UI is gone and gonna do my very best to bring it back. One way or another! ---
**Author:** ![Quakerix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/quakerix/32/10155_2.png) [@Quakerix](https://community.homey.app/u/Quakerix)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/38 "2018-12-11T21:46:59Z")
Cant we just build it ourself, as in the developers. I would gladly donate to such a project. ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Rockall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/adrian_rockall/32/13209_2.png) [@Adrian\_Rockall](https://community.homey.app/u/Adrian_Rockall)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/39 "2018-12-11T21:58:58Z")
I like the phone app and being able to tweak flows when I out is great. However, creating flows is much harder on the phone because of the limited screen space. One thing that drew me to the Homey was the old flow editor so it is disappointing that itā€™s gone. If Athom could bring back just the flow editor to the web interface I would be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Marcel\_Visser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/marcel_visser/32/66024_2.png) [@Marcel\_Visser](https://community.homey.app/u/Marcel_Visser)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/40 "2018-12-11T22:32:14Z")
For me, having no desktop software/web interface anymore is really frustrating and a big reason why I stop to promote homey to other people. The whole thing of a smarthome is that you can access your house from every device, where ever you are. The desktop software was working so well, and Athom has put so much time in it. To shame that this was just a waste of time. Please bring us a web UI with the option to personize a nice dashboard. Only than I will be very happy with my homey again. ---
**Author:** ![Dijker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/41 "2018-12-11T22:35:47Z")
@Luke_Fairbank and @HerrieMan I also miss the option to install the App on my tablet from the Play store, (Where it works on iOS i heard) but to us it on my Tablet I extract the APK from my phone using Apk Extractor. ([https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ext.ui](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ext.ui)) And share it using Bluetooth to my tablet. I guess there are also other options to get the App (Scaled) on your tablet (But I donā€™t trust all links that provide the APKs) Homey (Gen. 2)\_app.homey.apk I asked about this at Athom but this didnā€™t have a result in making it available in the store yet. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341/42 "2018-12-11T22:58:12Z")
Further to @Dijker suggestion to use it on a tabet, you can actaully use the same method and use it with in any chrome browser. Either extract the file as suggested, or just download it here : [https://apkgk.com/app.homey](https://apkgk.com/app.homey) Check out emulator here [https://www.apkonline.net/](https://www.apkonline.net/) (Thanks to @bvdbos on slack) I have never installed these files or attempted to do this, I am simply passing on information : do so at you own risk. [Previous page](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/athoms-decision-for-mobile-first-and-removing-of-the-desktop-interface-web-ui-in-homey-v2-0-0/5341.md?page=3)