# Athom announced Homey Cloud and Homey Bridge
**URL:** https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242
**Category:** Questions & Help
**Tags:** homey-bridge
**Created:** [September 7, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242 "2021-09-07T17:05:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Henrik\_Johnsson](https://community.homey.app/u/Henrik_Johnsson)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:48am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/83 "2021-09-08T08:48:34Z")
> [@KvM](#):
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> -This business model provides a more solid income for Athom, what do you think would happen if Athom goes bankrupt, we need them to be a healthy company
Yep, let’s hope this isn’t a complete commercial failure, my Homey is too light to work well as a door stop.
> [@KvM](#):
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> -More users makes it a larger player in the smarthome world, and therefore more interesting for proper support from all the smarthome hardware suppliers
I believe this is their aim, to bring more partners on board. Both hardware suppliers and various service providers, like the electricity provider Tibber that was invited to the keynote. Maybe more companies will see this as an attractive platform if it gets a wider adoption which could potentially benefit all users. Time will tell.
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### Author:  [@Menno\_van\_Eck](https://community.homey.app/u/Menno_van_Eck)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:50am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/84 "2021-09-08T08:50:50Z")
As I understand right now, they are adding opportunities. The only drawback on this move is the fact that the cloud apps (understand that developers will be requested a fee of 99 Euro/year), will not run. I would be prepared to keep supporting apps, if the fee would be as appropriate in a voluntarily community (13 Euro was the fee for Microsoft Apps, when the phone OS was still alive).
If some apps just won’t be available on cloud, cloud will suffer, so I guess this is a crucial thing to adress.
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### Author:  [@GaryOz](https://community.homey.app/u/GaryOz)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:51am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/85 "2021-09-08T08:51:11Z")
Hi Henrik,
I think your missing the point around cloud vs local here.
1. Cloud is reliant on an internet connection with a single point of failure.
I have experienced this personally and live in a first world country. It’s not nice, when your lights turn on in the middle of the night or your systems and appliances starts making noise due to no internet. (If you have used Amazon Echo and had an internet outage at 3am in the morning, due to network upgrades. (You would understand)
1. Local control (ie a Homey hub) you lose access to cloud apps, but maintain all your locally connected device. For example, All ZigBee, Z-Wave, WiFi, Bluetooth, All IR controlled devices lights. So yes their is a major difference between cloud and local (also you do not lose local control with Homey Hub as people are saying in the chat- “because they need cloud” NO they don’t)
To answer your second question.
No I have not lost local control “yet”, but from the kick off and all the noise being created from the presentation. Cloud is Athom future.
No reference to new local hub on continued support of local hub.
No reference or thanks to existing install base.
Heck. They might as well just get it over with and open the platform.
Making it available as Image/Application and offer pro subscription service.
That way we can just host it on a Rasp Pi or Container and utilise cheap and reliable ZigBee and z-wave controllers and the likes of Broadcom for IR control.
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### Author:  [@PV2134](https://community.homey.app/u/PV2134)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/86 "2021-09-08T08:52:17Z")
Personally I do not expect that Athom shall eliminate the Homey or Homey Pro on the long run because, as they claimed, they heavily rely on their developers community. Am I correct that a developer in general averse to limitations when supporting a device pro bono? I believe most developers use a Homey (Pro) as a starting point and shall add supporting code to include the Homey Bridge. But if the Homey (Pro) is eliminated, I expect that the developing community shall reduce substantially and as others said, another community supported device or initiative shall see the daylight. Moreover, requiring a volunteer developer pay an annual fee of EUR99 (I didn’t verify this yet) isn’t a wise decision here, unless you are planning to include developers in the commercial success which is in some way related to their efforts. In other words, let them earn money for every install or update (next to the LED ring notification when this happens.
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### Author:  [@Menno\_van\_Eck](https://community.homey.app/u/Menno_van_Eck)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:57am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/87 "2021-09-08T08:57:06Z")
I am not sure about your statement. Cloud is added to the availability of PRO, since Homey Pro is too expensive for “lightweight” users, I can understand that there is a gap. This gap is now to be filled by “cloud”.
There is no intention to abandon the pro users, as I can see right now, even the Homey Classic, will be supported.
I understand Athome makes a fuzz about the new opportunity, I do agree that they are earning this because of the old supporters, but I don’t feel left-alone with my “classic”. If it breaks down, I will have to buy a PRO, but that was already a given for a long period.
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### Author:  [@Henrik\_Johnsson](https://community.homey.app/u/Henrik_Johnsson)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 9:22am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/88 "2021-09-08T09:22:18Z")
> [@GaryOz](#):
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> I think your missing the point around cloud vs local here.
I’m not. I understand the differences, and the consequences. Obviously there are drawbacks with being more reliant on the cloud, but it may not a dealbreaker for everyone, risk vs consequence. Is a home massively automated with security, entertainment, climate etc, or mainly lights and perhaps even lightswitches that work independent of automation? How is the internet reliability, 5 min outage a day or 5 min outage a year?
> [@GaryOz](#):
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> No reference to new local hub on continued support of local hub.
Announcing a new product before it’s more or less ready to be shipped is on the other hand generally a bad business move, and I feel they actually referenced continued support for current products.
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### Author:  [@Robin\_van\_Kekem](https://community.homey.app/u/Robin_van_Kekem)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/89 "2021-09-08T09:38:30Z")
I haven’t read or heard any negative news on the current Homey (Pro).
The Homey (Pro) will be for most of the current users of Homey.
To fill the gap for ‘simple’ users, the cloud could be an option.
My Early 2016 Homey is still supported and running flawless!
I hope there will be an non-pro in the future for 299.
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### Author:  [@Emile](https://community.homey.app/u/Emile)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/90 "2021-09-08T09:43:05Z")
Hey all! I’ve created a post with a FAQ about our announcement. This should clear some things up.
> [@The new Homey & Homey Bridge FAQ](https://community.homey.app/t/the-new-homey-homey-bridge-faq/51291):
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> Hey everyone! Yesterday’s keynote has definitely created some questions we didn’t anticipate, especially for Homey (Classic) and Homey Pro users. In this post I’d like to answer some questions I see many of our customers have. So let’s go! Will Homey Pro be discontinued in the future? Absolutely not. Homey Pro is of extreme importance to our company — not only monetary, but also for the community and great apps. We have great things planned for Homey Pro I can’t wait to share. Soon™! Will H…
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### Author:  [@David\_Darling](https://community.homey.app/u/David_Darling)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 10:07am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/91 "2021-09-08T10:07:02Z")
LOVING the idea of the new Homey Bridge and just about to order. Is it possible to have more than one Homey Bridge in a property on the same account? And is it possible to have a Homey Pro and more than one Homey Bridge in one property on the same account??
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### Author:  [@Undertaker](https://community.homey.app/u/Undertaker)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/92 "2021-09-08T10:21:13Z")
Yes
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### Author:  [@DidierVU](https://community.homey.app/u/DidierVU)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 10:36am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/93 "2021-09-08T10:36:05Z")
> Of course there’s Homey+ (which we’ll rebrand to _Homey Pro Backups_ soon to make it simpler to understand)
Sooo Homey+ will never get extra features as said in the beginning? 👀
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### Author:  [@Caseda](https://community.homey.app/u/Caseda)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 10:43am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/94 "2021-09-08T10:43:29Z")
Just keep in mind that they will not work together in harmony, they will act as seperated controllers for the connected devices.
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### Author:  [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/95 "2021-09-09T13:51:08Z")
16 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Topic Waiting for an Invite but ordered the Homey Bridge](https://community.homey.app/t/topic-waiting-for-an-invite-but-ordered-the-homey-bridge/51402/2)
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### Author:  [@Russell\_S](https://community.homey.app/u/Russell_S)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/96 "2021-09-08T14:52:56Z")
Hmmm, just curious, are you real a person and a real Homey user ?
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### Author:  [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/99 "2021-09-08T18:09:10Z")
> [@David\_Darling](#):
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> Is it possible to have more than one Homey Bridge in a property on the same account? And is it possible to have a Homey Pro
Multiple Homey Pro’s has never been an issue and you can add a Homey (cloud) to your account but that is limited to one Homey (cloud). I got that confirmed from Athom. But was just a fast check question.
Not sure if that wil change after the beta period with invitations.
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### Author:  [@Henk\_van\_Munster](https://community.homey.app/u/Henk_van_Munster)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/101 "2021-09-08T18:33:47Z")
I ordered a bridge and it will come in tomorrow. I may hope that an invitation is included when it arrives. If not, it is pretty useless and I will be very dissapointed in Athom… It would feel like bying a nice new electric car but you can’t charge and use it because you have to wait for the cable to arrive.
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/105 "2021-09-08T20:41:17Z")
Geurt,
Thanks for testing and sharing your findings!
I’m curious about migration possibilities to a Pro with your backup tool [https://homeybackup.web.app/login/](https://homeybackup.web.app/login/) .
In theory it could be possible to backup cloud (+ bridge) flows and restore them to a Pro.
What’s your thoughts about this?
I haven’t read about an Athom tool for this yet.
(And before you realize, one has 500+ flows 😅👍)
Cheers
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Bittner](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Bittner)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/107 "2021-09-08T20:56:10Z")
This makes a lot of sense to me, use the Homey Bridge as a starter kit, and then allow a migration to Homey Pro. If they could somehow work out how to use the bridge with a Homey Pro to extend a set of aerials to an outside studio or for a large home all the better, then you are not wasting the initial investment.
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### Author:  [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/108 "2021-09-08T21:02:56Z")
> [@Peter\_Kawa](#):
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> In theory it could be possible to backup cloud (+ bridge) flows and restore them to a Pro
In theory, but flowards can be different.
They learned and removed old triggers but maybe renamed others.
fe the Sunrise
> Pro: “id”: “before\_sunrise”
> Cloud “id”:“homey:manager:cron:sunrise”
Visual is this the same trigger, but in a couple of area’s they changed the code to become more logical (I guess). For Athom there was no reason to keep their old “mistakes” in the New code.
And you have to pair everything again anyway. Zigbee, Z-Wave etc.
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### Author:  [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/athom-announced-homey-cloud-and-homey-bridge/51242/109 "2021-09-08T21:33:28Z")
> [@Dijker](#):
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> Small note on the Location, Homey Bridge has no option to locate the position on the globe, Auto detect option is missing.
Solved this mystery,
It is asked from the Phone the moment you create a new Home.
> [@Starting with Homey Cloud](https://community.homey.app/t/starting-with-homey-cloud/51353):
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> I just Re-Created a Homey Cloud “Home” as my other post with testing and differences was setup some time ago before the beta release was finished. I was surprised today by the NEW New Home Wizard for setting up your initial Home(y) in the cloud. Edit 2021/11/02: As I see several questions how to start this wizard from users with already an Homey. Go to more and type your Homey name just below your own name to switch Homey’s Click the + sign to start adding a new Homey Start creating a new…
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