# Are homey flows "stupid" **URL:** \ **Category:** Flows\ **Created:** [February 22, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490 "2021-02-22T17:15:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/1 "2021-02-22T17:15:18Z")
[https://homey.app/f/5sXKav](https://homey.app/f/5sXKav) Why isn’t this working? Aren’t homey checking the flows if time is included? ---
**Author:** ![Shakesbeard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/shakesbeard/32/15112_2.png) [@Shakesbeard](https://community.homey.app/u/Shakesbeard)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/2 "2021-02-22T17:35:45Z")
The else part will never be executed. Obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Mike1233](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/mike1233/32/20991_2.png) [@Mike1233](https://community.homey.app/u/Mike1233)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/3 "2021-02-22T17:36:06Z")
What are you trying to do with this flow? ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/4 "2021-02-22T17:49:37Z")
Why is it obviously? Should think that a smarthome is smart enough to know that the clock is after 18.11 ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/5 "2021-02-22T17:50:42Z")
I want a light that is in a hallway ( to give a little light to my kids bedroom) to turn on 1900 and turn off at 0700 ---
**Author:** ![Shakesbeard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/shakesbeard/32/15112_2.png) [@Shakesbeard](https://community.homey.app/u/Shakesbeard)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/8 "2021-02-22T18:01:29Z")
What @RoyWissenburg said 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/9 "2021-02-22T18:06:29Z")
I know, but again its so stupid with two or more flows with everything. Didn’t need this with smarthings. In my opinion this is a huge drawback that homey is not smart enough to know that the flow contains a time frame. But it is what it is ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/10 "2021-02-22T18:15:43Z")
If you know it, why are you asking? If you want something smarter, you can test this app: > [@New scheduler app in beta stage to test](https://community.homey.app/t/new-scheduler-app-in-beta-stage-to-test/43459): > > If anyone wants to they could test a new app I’ve created. It is an advanced scheduler that aims to combine and improve on IcalCalendar (when used statically as a week calendar) and Sun Events. Please note that I have to improve on the estetics, but it is functional. Please let me know if you see improvements or if you want to collaborate. Also please let me know if you find errors! [GitHub - fpalsson/com.fp.advanced-scheduler](https://github.com/fpalsson/com.fp.advanced-scheduler) ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/12 "2021-02-22T18:25:15Z")
I know that it work’s with two flows, but hoped that someone with more experience with homey could tell me a smarter way to build the function i want Thanks for the tip 👍 ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/13 "2021-02-22T18:26:04Z")
My list with “unnecessary” flows cares 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mike1233](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/mike1233/32/20991_2.png) [@Mike1233](https://community.homey.app/u/Mike1233)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/15 "2021-02-22T18:46:30Z")
I also use a very expensive solution for some lights. Homey turns some lights on and my wife turns them of. The last option costs lots more than a Homey. But it uses one flow. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Edwin\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edwin_d/32/136417_2.png) [@Edwin\_D](https://community.homey.app/u/Edwin_D)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/16 "2021-02-22T18:58:05Z")
> [@CB83](#): > > turn on at 1900 and turn off at 0700 So then you create a flow that mentions neither of these times but a random time in the middle, add a useless and clause and expect Homey to be smart enough to guess what you actually meant? I’m pretty sure that no smart device will get your intentions form the specs you gave Homey, or us for that matter. If you really want to you can get this done in one flow (though I’d not advise to do so). But the way you started the topic is not a very inviting to jump in for help. So why did you post, just to complain that you bought something that is not to your liking, or do you need help? [https://homey.app/f/iFI8bv](https://homey.app/f/iFI8bv) ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_van\_der\_Aart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/martin_van_der_aart/32/9658_2.png) [@Martin\_van\_der\_Aart](https://community.homey.app/u/Martin_van_der_Aart)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/17 "2021-02-22T19:07:55Z")
Maybe it keeps Homey too bussy but it’s a way to do it in one flow. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/6/f/6ff87e98d23a62d0d7a831f2c09720d98663f1e8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/18 "2021-02-22T19:13:40Z")
Why so serious tone? Perhaps I misunderstood you know, but I guess you are referring to the yimesi have in the shared flow. I will guess that you understood that this was just a test flow so i didn’t have to wait until 0700 for the light to turn off😎 Thanks for the tip, but again im not impressed with how “smart” homey is. I was hoping that it would know to turn the light off since the when part says 0700, but il guess im asking to much. Also tried with a logic: When light was " No" And time was between xx-xx Then on Else off. Didn’t work either. I will just use a timer, thanks 👌 ---
**Author:** ![Andrea\_M](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/andrea_m/32/18744_2.png) [@Andrea\_M](https://community.homey.app/u/Andrea_M)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/19 "2021-02-22T19:18:40Z")
I think it is not a matter of device (homey or a smarter one)… you should first refine your approach to Logic. Hubs are stupid … They do what you ask them and in the way you do it. ---
**Author:** ![Edwin\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edwin_d/32/136417_2.png) [@Edwin\_D](https://community.homey.app/u/Edwin_D)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/20 "2021-02-22T19:34:31Z")
Homey is designed differently, for two reasons: 1. Simple flows are easier on beginning users; 2. Homey can run more efficient this way. To keep the Homey workload low, it is built purely event based: the trigger specifies when it a flow should be evaluated or executed. So every flow has an exact reason to activate, and until that happens, the flow is not evaluated. The and clause in a flow is only to give additional tests to see if all the right conditions are met when the trigger happens. So that is checked only immediately after the trigger to see if the event is to be used or not. So the best way to keep the system running smoothly is to use two flows, one that triggers at 19:00 to turn it on, and one that triggers at 7:00 to turn it off. That way you may have multiple flows, but little load on the system, because that doesn’t require Homey to keep track of timers. And each flow is small and has a single purpose. You can even have different and clauses for both. Athom could have opted to use less flows with more complexity. That would result in Homey being able to actually do less things simultaniously, and less easy to understand for beginners. It is a pity though that Athom does not allow for multiple triggers. That would reduce flows without sacrificing speed or much simplicity. But I expect that has to do with the fact that it might pose problems with local tags. If you allow multiple triggers with different local tags, tags can be undefined when a different trigger is happening than the one delivering the tag. ---
**Author:** ![CB83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/cb83/32/30125_2.png) [@CB83](https://community.homey.app/u/CB83)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/21 "2021-02-22T21:38:22Z")
Thanks for the explanation👌 ---
**Author:** ![Struts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/struts/32/34977_2.png) [@Struts](https://community.homey.app/u/Struts)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/22 "2021-02-24T21:35:34Z")
“It is a pity though that Athom does not allow for multiple triggers.” In a way it does actually, you could trigger other flows through a flow, or change a variable from different flows that activates a specific flow. With that said i understand what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Edwin\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/edwin_d/32/136417_2.png) [@Edwin\_D](https://community.homey.app/u/Edwin_D)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:59am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/23 "2021-02-25T07:59:14Z")
Yes, if your flow is complex and you need multiple triggers, the “start a flow” card can be used by the other triggers to avoid duplication. However, if six buttons turn the same light on, it doesn’t really help because it then adds complexity instead of reducing it. Combining them in one flow with multiple triggers would not violate the original design principles in a significant way. ---
**Author:** ![Shakesbeard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/shakesbeard/32/15112_2.png) [@Shakesbeard](https://community.homey.app/u/Shakesbeard)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 8:40am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490/24 "2021-02-25T08:40:27Z")
> [@Edwin\_D](#): > > six buttons turn the same light on hmmm wouldn’t you be able to group that with the \< group \> app? Never tried, just crossed my mind. [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/are-homey-flows-stupid/43490.md?page=2)