# APP Search Engine - APP's are NOT Needed for any MATTER Devices - Marketing Messaging Needs to be Clearer **URL:** \ **Category:** Apps\ **Tags:** app, homey-pro\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358 "2024-01-16T16:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/1 "2024-01-16T16:05:48Z")
I am NOT yet a Homey user and had been hesitating for many weeks - about purchasing a - Homey Pro 2023. **CHECKING THE APP STORE** - I had not made the decision to purchase - as I have been constantly checking the Homey Pro APP store - to see when my chosen “BRANDS” would be supported. Hence my previous thread commenting that the search engine for the App Store is sometimes not very forgiving - of any unprecise user search. 1. If you search APPS - “TP-LINK” - With a dash - does work OK. 2. If you search APPS - “TP LINK” - No dash - APP is NOT found. 3. [ **URL** - 11-JAN-2024 - My original post - APP Store SEARCH - Is NOT Very Forgiving ](https://community.homey.app/t/feature-request-improve-the-apps-search-engine-search-does-not-work-for-tp-link-link-tap-sharp-tools-philip-hue/100807) 4. I have for several weeks now, been searching for an APP for - **EVE** - **LINKIND** - **ONVIS** - **TUO** all of these Brands do of course now offer - MATTER products. 5. I did NOT understand that HOMEY does NOT Require an APP for MATTER products to work. 6. Homey’s marketing site, does not make that very clear, on the APP search page. The Community kindly corrected my misunderstanding - via the Homey forum. Personally, I can now feel more re-assured and comfortable to proceed with purchasing a Homey Pro, as I now understand APPS a bit better. 1. Most other potential new customers are UNLIKELY to search Community forums like I did. 2. My mate too, had searched for an “EVE APP” so he has not yet purchased his Homey Pro. 3. EVE products are generally - “Matter over Thread” so he would not need an APP either. 4. It is such a shame, that Athom’s marketing materials do NOT make this clear. 5. It is likely that Athom may have LOST several other potential NEW CUSTOMERS. Maybe when the web site is updated - Athom could get some of the “You Tube” “Home Automation” - INFLUENCERS - to do an UPDATED - and revised Homey Pro video adding in comments about THREAD once the thread BETA has ended. 1. I personally watched many of the “You Tube” videos about HOMEY Pro - and still did NOT understand the point that - If it is a MATTER Device - It does NOT require an APP. 2. I supposed I just got obsessed about searching for the APPS that I thought I needed. This impression was reinforced by several of the “You Tube” reviews commenting about missing Homey APPS and Non Compatibility on some LEGACY products. . You Tube gives the IMPRESSION that - **Home Assistant** can support **EVERYTHING** 1. And suggests that - **Homey Pro 2023** - only offers **PARTIAL** support 2. So searching for an APP is a way for New Users to validate those You Tube comments. 3. I read several posts on the Homey Community and I did finally understand that Matter Over THREAD" - did NOT need an APP. 4. But, I continued to think that - Matter over Wi-Fi - would still require an APP. 5. I still misunderstood even after reading the community articles on this forum. 6. The Main Homey Web site - [Matter (BETA)](https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/9075551662108-Matter-Beta-for-Homey-Pro-Early-2023-) - does in very small print - mention that APPS are not needed for - Matter over Thread 7. But that Document - does NOT say “Matter over Zigbee” is impossible 8. I cleared up the ZIGBEE Issue - and then wondered if - Matter over WI-FI required an APP. 9. [**URL** - My Full Post - 101346 - 16-Jan-2024 - Do Matter Over Wi Fi Products - Need an APP](https://community.homey.app/t/do-homey-pro-2023-users-need-to-download-an-app-for-matter-over-wi-fi-products/101346) # In the end - my Final Conclusion on Homey with MATTER 1. All - Matter products - Regardless of Radio - can work NATIVELY with Homey Pro. 2. That includes Matter over THREAD - and Matter over WI-FI 3. NOT - Matter over ZIGBEE - no such protocol exists 4. APP’s are NOT ESSENTIAL - for Matter to work with Homey Pro out of the box. 5. Maybe some APP’s can add ADDITIONAL functionality to a Matter device beyond its standard Matter feature set - to be confirmed by someone more knowledgeable than me? 6. If Homey Pro can support 100% of the Matter Eco System, without needing any APPS, that is an amazing accomplishment by the Homey Developers, to have been able to make that possible. 7. The next “You Tube Reviews” need to say - If users stick to Matter - then Homey is already compatible with 100% of the products in the Matter Eco System - which would be an amazing claim. # Athom - Minimise Misunderstandings over - Matter and APPs **SUGGESTION ONE** 1. The current APP “Search Box” states - “Which App are you looking for” 2. Maybe create - 2 search boxes - Not ONE. 3. BOX 1 - For - **MATTER** - Products 4. BOX 2 - For - **NON Matter** - Products 5. If User searches for a Matter APP - Reply could be - APP Not Required 6. If a Matter APP adds ADDITIONAL Functionality - then the Reply could confirm this. **SUGGESTION TWO** 1. Load each of the Brands “Product Codes” into the Database 2. This confirms that a specific product would work 3. Could be thousands of codes to load - so maybe too much work 4. Maybe the newer popular 2023 product codes could be loaded 5. I had searched for the - Aqara - FP2 - MM Wave Sensor - Launched March 2023 6. I found the AQARA App - But then - cannot find Aqara FP2 mentioned in that list. 7. I guess that the FP2 is not supported. A negative to me Purchasing HOMEY Pro. 8. A more Specific Search for just “FP2” - could have provided a reply like “Work in Progress” Any weak communication - is potentially losing Athom - new customers. My mate had already said to me said that he will probably stay with “Home Assistant” as it did NOT look like Homey supported many of the newer MATTER products. I realise that I may have gone overboard - with too many sentences to document this issue. But I nearly decided NOT to purchase a Homey Pro, and even if I had waited patiently for a few months, which I had intended to do, the EVE App would have NEVER appeared, as EVE are exclusively “Matter over Thread” - So NO app is of course needed I do want Athom to succeed, be really profitable, and still be trading in 10 years time. The more users we can get to use the platform - then the more likely it will be to succeed. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/8/a/8a5eb15e7249f4cadf66d4b836a1452bacd176ef.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![HenriDO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/henrido/32/84845_2.png) [@HenriDO](https://community.homey.app/u/HenriDO)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/2 "2024-01-16T17:40:45Z")
I agree with you… I seamlessly integrate Eve Home, Aqara, and EcoFlow Matter devices with my Homey Pro. However, the website lacks clarity on compatible devices, and the reliance on applications may diminish as Homey incorporates Thread and Matter. Regarding Aqara FP2, does it function optimally only with HomeKit? ---
**Author:** ![KestasM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/kestasm/32/97463_2.png) [@KestasM](https://community.homey.app/u/KestasM)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/3 "2024-01-16T17:49:14Z")
i tried and failed to add eve aqua to homey pro. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/4 "2024-01-16T18:21:54Z")
Hi Henri - “Eve Aqua” is now on its THIRD generation - Apple Insider - 15-Aug-2022 I am not totally sure what the Implications are - if you have - Aqua Gen1 - or - Aqua Gen 2 > **[Eve Aqua (3rd-gen) review: Upgrades all around for this Thread-enabled spigot...](https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/15/eve-aqua-3rd-gen-review-upgrades-all-around-for-this-thread-enabled-spigot)** > > The new third-generation Eve Aqua has a fresh design, Thread support, and works exclusively with HomeKit. Here's how it works, and how it's different than older models. 1 - The Eve home page - DOES confirm - that Eve Aqua - supports THREAD. 2 - But Eve home page - does NOT confirm - if Eve AQUA now supports MATTER I suspect MATTER for Eve Aqua is NOT yet ready, but that is only a guess. If I am correct, that could mean that Homey is unable to properly support the Eve Aqua until Eve get Matter added ?? > **[Eve Aqua | evehome.com](https://www.evehome.com/en/eve-aqua)** > > Smart water controller with Apple HomeKit technology supporting Thread. Activate your irrigation system via your iPhone, Siri, or the onboard button. Set up schedules quickly and easily. - HOMEY Pro - State that they will only support - MATTER over THREAD - NOT Thread on its own. > **[Thread for Homey Pro (Early 2023)](https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/12010766903580)** > > Since firmware version 10.3.0, Homey Pro (Early 2023) has enabled its Thread radio. This article will briefly explain what Thread is and how you can connect a Matter over Thread device to Homey Pro... ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/1/6/16319ae8f4cd8bfe3f82ea149aa0b5e1744606bb.png) ATHOM - Please could that also - be another marketing message which is CLEARLY displayed on the App Store - For when new customers do a search for an APP ---
**Author:** ![Dijker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/5 "2024-01-16T18:34:08Z")
> [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](#): > > This impression was re-inforced by several of the “You Tube” Reviews having only one main criticism > i.e. Comments about missing Homey APPS - and Non Compatibility on some LEGACY Products. > The impression is that “Home Assistant” can Support Everything - and Homey is only “PARTIAL” Athom nor the Community are responsible for incorrect information in (Youtube) Reviews. Please contact the Author of the Review/Youtube to correct what hou think is misinformation. But Probably the Reviews where recorded before the official Release of Thread (As v10.3.0 is still in Experimental at this moment) ---
**Author:** ![KestasM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/kestasm/32/97463_2.png) [@KestasM](https://community.homey.app/u/KestasM)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/6 "2024-01-16T19:16:13Z")
My Eve Aqua version: ![IMG_3359](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/1/8/18191b345b1a2258c2c61c3bc9a59af9da72500b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KestasM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/kestasm/32/97463_2.png) [@KestasM](https://community.homey.app/u/KestasM)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/7 "2024-01-16T19:37:43Z")
what version do you have? I have 10.2.1. how to get 10.3.0? ---
**Author:** ![Dijker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/8 "2024-01-16T19:45:20Z")
> [@KestasM](#): > > how to get 10.3.0? Wait until it is released as it is only as experimental available. > **[Enabling experimental updates on Homey Pro (2016 — 2019)](https://support.homey.app/hc/en-us/articles/360013392813-Enabling-experimental-updates-on-Homey-Pro-2016-2019)** > > Homey's software improves continuously. As an experimental update tester, you will receive updates before they are released to everyone. However, these updates come at a cost — they can potentially... > **[Homey Pro (Early 2023) Changelog](https://homey.app/en-us/wiki/homey-pro-early-2023-firmware-changelog/)** ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/9 "2024-01-16T21:07:15Z")
> [@HenriDO](#): > > Regarding Aqara FP2, does it function optimally only with HomeKit Please ask in the right topic, thx. Afaik you only need the Homekit Controller app, nothing from apple itself: > [@\[APP\]\[Pro\] HomeKit Controller - for a better Homey](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-homekit-controller-for-a-better-homey/94520): > > Project started as a way to include the Aqara FP2-sensor via Homekit into Homey. App is now more generic, many services and capabilities are supported. If you encounter problems, please PM me a short note and a copy of the log where you add the device. Generic procedure to add a device. Add your Homekit capable device to the app that came with the device and configure it. If added with iOS device, remove the device from the iOS Home app, a device only can have one controller. Most of the tim… Discussion: > [@Aqara FP2, mmWave presence detection on WiFi](https://community.homey.app/t/aqara-fp2-mmwave-presence-detection-on-wifi/76955): > > I just saw that there’s a new FP2 presence sensor coming out now in March, and contrary to the other Aqara sensors it doesn’t use Zigbee but rather Wifi. Probably makes it trickier for someone to make an integration into Homey for it, but… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/10 "2024-01-16T21:10:32Z")
> [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](#): > > ATHOM - Please could that also This is JUST a USER forum WHEN YOU want to advice ATHOM, please go to [https://homey.app/support](https://homey.app/support) 😉 (your Caps button seems to go on and off by itself) ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/11 "2024-01-16T21:52:45Z")
Hi Peter, thanks for your feedback. I am not yet allowed to directly communicate with Athom. As I am not yet a Homey user. On the Link you sent me, all of the communication links are GREYED out for my Account, except for the one allowing me to edit my user credentials. For info - the greyed out links - say get help - they do not confirm that I can post on any Issues. But I will try that option, once I become a user, thanks for pointing this out. I had thought that maybe some users on the community forum, would NOT already be aware that “Matter over THREAD” and “Matter over ZIGBEE” do not need an App. So they may want to enable Firmware 10.3 Beta to try it out. Hopefully my Rant has been helpful to some of them. It is a bad habit, that I have got into - on my caps lock - you are correct. I have removed some of them from the original post, but it would take too long to get it perfect now. I’ll try to do better next time . . . . ---
**Author:** ![G\_X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/g_x/32/93597_2.png) [@G\_X](https://community.homey.app/u/G_X)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/12 "2024-01-17T17:00:13Z")
@Tony_deane_uk, a bit of an advice from the perspective of the owner, please be aware many of the apps are written by the community, so no support is expected anyway. Just keep that in mind when searching for your devices 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/13 "2024-01-17T17:36:10Z")
Thanks for the heads up - @G_X Some Apps – Indicate they are “ **OFFICIAL** ” – Can You Confirm - if Athom support These ? The APPS Marked – “ **COMMUNITY** ” – I had assumed that I would NOT get any Support on these I wanted to use “ **REOLINK** ” Security Cameras – With a Homey Pro 2023 But could not find a - Reolink APP - in the APP Store So I assume that I will - NOT be able to use REOLINK until an APP gets Written. It’s a shame as REOLINK - Have an Massive Range - and do not charge Annual Subscriptions > **[Homey App Store](https://homey.app/en-us/apps/browse/#filter?query=REOLINK&platform=local)** ---
**Author:** ![Dijker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/14 "2024-01-17T17:39:28Z")
> [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](#): > > It’s a shame as REOLINK - Have an Massive Range I agree, did you ask Reolink Support why they don’t support Homey? But Is Reolink already Matter enabled? ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/15 "2024-01-17T17:44:28Z")
Good Idea @Dijker - I suppose if enough of us end users put direct pressure on companies like REOLINK. Then maybe one day they will invest the RESOURCES - to make a new APP get launched An e-mail direct to REOLINK - will be my next task - thanks for the Suggestion ---
**Author:** ![Dijker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dijker](https://community.homey.app/u/Dijker)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/16 "2024-01-17T17:46:30Z")
> [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](#): > > An e-mail direct to REOLINK - will be my next task They have a Community [Homey app | Reolink Community](https://community.reolink.com/topic/4545/homey-app?post_id=17825&_) ---
**Author:** ![Techniman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/techniman/32/8654_2.png) [@Techniman](https://community.homey.app/u/Techniman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/17 "2024-01-17T20:47:05Z")
What would you like the APP to do? The REOLINK I have are all camera’s and these are ONVIF compatible, while there is no Reolink App, the ONVIF app works fine… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Kawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/peter_kawa/32/173848_2.png) [@Peter\_Kawa](https://community.homey.app/u/Peter_Kawa)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/18 "2024-01-17T22:28:30Z")
> [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](#): > > Some apps – Indicate they are “ **official** ” – Can you confirm - if Athom support these ? Official = 1. created & maintained by Athom 2. created & maintained by a brand/company Athom does not support #2 ! A brand/company does not support #1 ! > [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](#): > > The apps marked – “ **community** ” – I had assumed that I would NOT get any support on these `Thy should never assume` 🙃 Community = 3rd party developers, who build / have built app(s) in their spare hours, free of charge. Many of these developers are highly skilled professional engineers. They offer support, because for instance they like to help other Homey enthusiasts, or maybe like to improve / extend their app(s) **You can find support links at their app store page(s); often there’s a special app topic at this forum.** On many occasions I’ve noticed those guys & girls respond way _ **quicker** _ with bug fixes and app updates (new devices for instance), than the so called _official_ app builders. But… they owe nothing, to anyone, and cannot be held accountable for anything. They just share their app(s) with you! We can NOT _demand_ support, or _get angry_ or _complain_ about too little, or too slow response. It’s all volunteerly. I fully understand some developers have abandoned their apps, while an increasing number of users are plain ill-mannered and out-of-touch, not to say just arrogant. _ **Some** _ developers chose to _ **not actively support** _ their app(s). This is clearly stated at the app store page(s). But often users help eachother out here. #### What can be improved here imho: A status or message about the app being abandoned / no longer supported; (And if it’s open for transfer (or not) to an other developer). This is always unclear, and can only be concluded when the dev doesn’t respond to any message for x months. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/19 "2024-01-18T00:25:14Z")
@Peter_Kawa - Thanks for the clarification on the difference between: OFFICIAL apps - and - COMMUNITY apps Your explanation is very helpful - and does make it a lot clearer. You make a good point - on the **COMMUNITY** apps "They owe nothing, to anyone, and cannot be held accountable for anything. They just share their app(s) with you ! Hopefully members on the Community will be grateful for the time these Professionals **FREELY** contribute to help us all out. As a “NEWBY” myself - I am so impressed with the Homey Community, having now had a bit of time, to read through some of the recent posts. I am surprised at the level of engagement and helpful response, which is so great to see. I have some ideas on how I also - can give back - more to follow once I have thought it through . . @Dijker earlier suggested the Homey Community should be patient and wait until Thread - BETA v10.3.0-rc.7 - becomes a stable final release - which I think is wise advice. Once that happens - I will be ordering my - Homey Pro 2023 - and getting started. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/tony_deane_uk/32/98310_2.png) [@Tony\_Deane\_UK](https://community.homey.app/u/Tony_Deane_UK)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358/20 "2024-01-18T01:43:37Z")
@Techinman - I have done a separate thread reply to your suggestion about using ONVIF for Reolink. This thread was getting a bit long - and it now has multiple subjects in it. I have therefore started a SEPERATE thread - dedicated to **REOLINK** - See Link Below [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/app-search-engine-apps-are-not-needed-for-any-matter-devices-marketing-messaging-needs-to-be-clearer/101358.md?page=2)