# \[APP\]\[Pro\] Power by the Hour: Insights per hour, day, month and year **URL:** \ **Category:** Apps\ **Tags:** app, tools\ **Created:** [November 10, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535 "2019-11-10T22:06:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 117
**Author:** ![Torch1969](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/torch1969/32/33305_2.png) [@Torch1969](https://community.homey.app/u/Torch1969)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2373 "2024-06-25T16:59:43Z")
![Schermafbeelding 2024-06-25 om 18.55.58](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/c/8/c8659f339f9071eb31b22c2387352783c16835ec.png) Zonneplan app: ![Schermafbeelding 2024-06-25 om 18.56.32](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/2/4/24b1b5c81e714195166446482d27dc9f7d9d1d4b.png) Quite a difference, which one is correct? ---
**Author:** ![Gruijter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gruijter/32/1973_2.png) [@Gruijter](https://community.homey.app/u/Gruijter)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2374 "2024-06-25T18:03:36Z")
> [@Torch1969](#): > > which one is correct? PBTH is šŸ˜‰. Are you checking the same day? And including all taxes and costs? ---
**Author:** ![Torch1969](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/torch1969/32/33305_2.png) [@Torch1969](https://community.homey.app/u/Torch1969)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2375 "2024-06-25T18:07:26Z")
> [@Gruijter](#): > > PBTH is šŸ˜‰. Are you checking the same day? And including all taxes and costs? Yes, prices for tomorrow in same chart as prices for today (which are correct). I checked other sources and PBTH looks right (sorry I doubted about that šŸ˜¬). I asked the zonneplan support (ai chatbot) and Kiki said if itā€™s not right they will correct it very soonā€¦ā€¦šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Francis\_W](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/francis_w/32/60946_2.png) [@Francis\_W](https://community.homey.app/u/Francis_W)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2376 "2024-06-25T22:42:33Z")
hourly prices for Belgium are also incorrect, I think Nordpool is wrong. incorrect: [https://data.nordpoolgroup.com/auction/day-ahead/prices?deliveryDate=2024-06-26¤cy=EUR&aggregation=Hourly&deliveryAreas=BE](https://data.nordpoolgroup.com/auction/day-ahead/prices?deliveryDate=2024-06-26¤cy=EUR&aggregation=Hourly&deliveryAreas=BE) Correct: [https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data?market\_area=BE&auction=MRC&trading\_date=2024-06-25&delivery\_date=2024-06-26&underlying\_year=&modality=Auction&sub\_modality=DayAhead&technology=&data\_mode=table&period=&production\_period=](https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data?market_area=BE&auction=MRC&trading_date=2024-06-25&delivery_date=2024-06-26&underlying_year=&modality=Auction&sub_modality=DayAhead&technology=&data_mode=table&period=&production_period=) ![Schermafbeelding 2024-06-26 om 00.44.00](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/f/e/fe5a50c728ab442dc2e03fb9cb3eb2756e520b06.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CaptainVoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/captainvoni/32/3549_2.png) [@CaptainVoni](https://community.homey.app/u/CaptainVoni)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2377 "2024-06-26T04:31:57Z")
Hi @Gruijter Any idea why this isnā€™t visible in the data for today: [Huge price variations](https://montelnews.com/news/e072de7e-5651-4abe-b817-cf76e8e95d28/decoupling-causes-huge-price-variations) Prices for today (including taxes and fees): ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/4/2/422d85c4959ef99d8ada25818a8e80dc76e1f680.png) Price chart from AWATTar (excluding taxes and fees): ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/9/d/9d9b3cb5abcf4a652b6a69f3f03d2874942a00e0.png) ---
**Author:** ![CaptainVoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/captainvoni/32/3549_2.png) [@CaptainVoni](https://community.homey.app/u/CaptainVoni)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 6:59am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2378 "2024-06-26T06:59:06Z")
@Gruijter Is there a way to trigger an update of the prices? It seems like as if the exchange now delivers the correct prices, but PbtH still shows the old, incorrect prices. I tried restarting the app, but that didnā€™t help. Prices should look like this (this iOS app updates whenever it is opened; it showed the same incorrect prices like PbtH until about an hour ago) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/0/7/07de1b4bd91f7034b65aea73aef8973d0cff0b6e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gruijter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gruijter/32/1973_2.png) [@Gruijter](https://community.homey.app/u/Gruijter)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 7:03am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2379 "2024-06-26T07:03:15Z")
> [@CaptainVoni](#): > > there a way to trigger an update of the prices? The electricity pricing information is fetched from ENTSO-E, the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity: [Data view](https://transparency.entsoe.eu/transmission-domain/r2/dayAheadPrices/show) PBTH fetches it every hour and on app restart, with a delay of a few minutes. ---
**Author:** ![CaptainVoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/captainvoni/32/3549_2.png) [@CaptainVoni](https://community.homey.app/u/CaptainVoni)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 7:36am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2380 "2024-06-26T07:36:45Z")
So the prices from PbtH canā€™t really be used for AWATTar or Tibber? Hmmm, up to today it worked perfectly, but it seems that such edge cases as today arenā€™t covered. šŸ˜ž ---
**Author:** ![Gruijter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gruijter/32/1973_2.png) [@Gruijter](https://community.homey.app/u/Gruijter)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 7:42am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2381 "2024-06-26T07:42:57Z")
> [@CaptainVoni](#): > > So the prices from PbtH canā€™t really be used for AWATTar or Tibber? How did you come to that conclusion? Ive used it for Tibber myself. ---
**Author:** ![CaptainVoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/captainvoni/32/3549_2.png) [@CaptainVoni](https://community.homey.app/u/CaptainVoni)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 7:49am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2382 "2024-06-26T07:49:47Z")
As I wrote - this are the actual prices for AWATTar for today (excluding taxes and fees): ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/9/d/9d9b3cb5abcf4a652b6a69f3f03d2874942a00e0.png) And this shows PtbH (including taxes and fees): ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/8/7/8748911b336f15ed1a8589ae58d153b84e701bcf.png) And for direct comparison, the (incorrect) Austrian prices without taxes and fees: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/8/d/8dd9181f2f7f4ecfd690529aaeb141ce0040b89a.png) I setup a new PbtH device without any offsets for the latter. ---
**Author:** ![staeff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/staeff/32/79712_2.png) [@staeff](https://community.homey.app/u/staeff)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 8:44am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2383 "2024-06-26T08:44:00Z")
Those are my PBTH prices shown in Austria (in cents including some base fees for SmartENERGY). So for me it seems to be correct. But I think when I woke up and read the news it also was showing me the ā€œwrongā€ values. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/2/8/28fe052feda0cff3f86e4afdd16ce391f0c0eb96.png) Funnily enough my energy provider SmartENERGY was still showing the old prices a few minutes ago and now their online portal is in ā€œmaintenance modeā€ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Gruijter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gruijter/32/1973_2.png) [@Gruijter](https://community.homey.app/u/Gruijter)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 9:04am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2384 "2024-06-26T09:04:59Z")
Hickups do happen. PBTH is just fetching whatever is provided bij ENTSO (or Nordpool as backup). I read on forums that here is a problem on EU level today with prices. I assume all parties/energy providers and exchanges will be alligned again soon. Actually good to see the ā€˜panicā€™ some of you immediately seem to have when things donā€™t work as they normally do. That shows again how robust PBTH has become over the years. Note: The donate button can be found on the first post and in the homey app store šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Gr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/hans_gr/32/48091_2.png) [@Hans\_Gr](https://community.homey.app/u/Hans_Gr)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 9:36am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2385 "2024-06-26T09:36:43Z")
Indeed one canā€™t program against these situations. Like you I use Tibber. How do you cope with the situation as it is? Switch to manual control of the Sessyā€™s or let it just go with the flow? ---
**Author:** ![DirkH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkh/32/78952_2.png) [@DirkH](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkH)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:03am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2386 "2024-06-26T10:03:26Z")
seems to be a similar issue for German DE\_LU prices. ![Strompreise entsoe-de 2024-06-26](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/a/4/a4f6e4d92249400c29734972c09f83d15b15052a.jpeg) while the prices on epex have two significat peaks. ![Strompreise energy-charts-info 2024-06-26](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/e/2/e27a12f2b849c7e9566d8f5e72f2f4728ba2e991.jpeg) ![Strompreise epexspot-com 2024-06-26](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/1/c/1c7b9a515ba5de4a2f6dce2ea2275cba25fcfef5.jpeg) I have no clue, if there is an issue at ENTSO or a misconception about the prices. I understand that Tibber is based on EPEX prices and PTBH uses ENTSO. But I do not understand where the difference occurs as it worked fine within the hundredTh of a cent, whenever I checked. ---
**Author:** ![CaptainVoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/captainvoni/32/3549_2.png) [@CaptainVoni](https://community.homey.app/u/CaptainVoni)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:11am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2387 "2024-06-26T10:11:10Z")
Can you show me your settings? I added a fresh device for Austria. These are my settings: ![IMG_0067](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/8/4/8466c8f8916d02f482cf508d2c29c6d1ad22252f.jpeg) ![IMG_0068](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/7/1/71ec1ad7918e76564a74b30c8b301ca58f5908de.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CaptainVoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/captainvoni/32/3549_2.png) [@CaptainVoni](https://community.homey.app/u/CaptainVoni)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2388 "2024-06-26T10:15:02Z")
In an email from AWATTar they also mention incorrect prices on ENTSOE: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/4/b/4bb6e6ffec5d9fa1d0404bbeae3fe71e33dfb511.png) ---
**Author:** ![staeff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/staeff/32/79712_2.png) [@staeff](https://community.homey.app/u/staeff)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2389 "2024-06-26T10:26:24Z")
Those are my settings ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/d/f/dfdb6c521483fb136f7d6883ea5168825c2def24.png) @Gruijter btw now the prices seem to switched back to the ā€œincorrectā€ ones. But Iā€™m fairly certain that the problem is more from the API provider then from PBTH, in the end you also only can display what the API provides. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/7/6/763a9c124acd14eae4ed048d97de6fa86997b637.png) ---
**Author:** ![DirkG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dirkg/32/118897_2.png) [@DirkG](https://community.homey.app/u/DirkG)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:32am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2390 "2024-06-26T10:32:21Z")
For information: > **[Decoupling causes huge spot power price variations](https://montelnews.com/news/e072de7e-5651-4abe-b817-cf76e8e95d28/decoupling-causes-h)** > > The German day-ahead price at Epex settled at EUR 492.04/MWh, the highest since 1 September 2022, while the result at the Nord Pool and EXAA exchanges, which remained in the SDAC, was only EUR 103.01/MWh and in line with expectations. Austrian... ---
**Author:** ![Gruijter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/gruijter/32/1973_2.png) [@Gruijter](https://community.homey.app/u/Gruijter)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:34am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2391 "2024-06-26T10:34:20Z")
> [@DirkH](#): > > Tibber is based on EPEX prices and PTBH uses ENTSO. But I do not understand where the difference occurs EPEX is the exchange where the price is settled. ENTSO-E is a free and (usually) very reliable data source that publishes these EPEX prices. ---
**Author:** ![staeff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/staeff/32/79712_2.png) [@staeff](https://community.homey.app/u/staeff)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:39am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535/2392 "2024-06-26T10:39:05Z")
Just to take a guess from looking at the source code: As far as I can tell PBTH has 3 different providers (ENTSOE, NP, STEKKER) for fetching the prices. It tries to fetch the prices one after the other, meaning if one fails it will try the next one, but if it succeeds the data of that provider is used. So I think maybe due to the chaos today, or maybe even PBTH users trying to manually refresh the data and some API Key limit kicking in, the request to ENTSOE (which has the incorrect prices) failed and data from the next provider was fetched instead and used. Then after some time PBTH tried to fetch the data again and ENTSOE returned (incorrect) data successfully and the prices were replaced by that. [Previous page](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535.md?page=116) [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-power-by-the-hour-insights-per-hour-day-month-and-year/20535.md?page=118)