# \[APP\]\[Pro\] \< group \> (3.2.4 - Stable) **URL:** \ **Category:** Apps\ **Tags:** app, homey-pro\ **Created:** [October 23, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168 "2018-10-23T16:16:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/967 "2024-02-22T23:48:15Z")
The capabilities which exist for each device type are define by Athom. (Many moons ago). The powerful thing about the group app, is that it is written in way which allows for it to be completely generic and thus work for all devices and all (default) capabilities. Over the last 6 years or so I’ve managed to no put in any custom code for specific devices or apps or even device types - that hard line is what keeps this app maintainable. — Regarding the new flows. It’s a great idea and I see the value but I don’t think it’s practical due to the way that flows are created and managed by homey. The must be defined, along with all possibilities in json before the app starts and they can’t be altered. So I would have to create flow for every possibilities - which would always be available - ie each of action … for each device type …… possible I guess but pretty messy. The the very first thing people will ask for is additional capabilities to be added, and it won’t work with the more flexible “advance items” Thanks for the suggestion - I’ll think about how to make the flows work …. Perhaps two tags, once for the capability name and one for the device name could work ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/nick_van_gerwen/32/43860_2.png) [@Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://community.homey.app/u/Nick_Van_gerwen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 12:39pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/968 "2024-02-26T12:39:31Z")
Hi Jamie, I really like the app so I happen to find myself in a situation where I had to remove a not-responding lamp and add it to homey again - same name but of course a lot of flows will have issues. Also a group had issues, but hé I thougth, just try maintenance-try to repair 😉 But no, since the device has a new internal id it cannot be found and that is treated as an error. I hoped the repair screen would still open, so I could reselect the devices and the not-existing one would get removed from the group when saving it. Is it possible to add this functionality? Regards, Nick ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/969 "2024-02-27T10:45:43Z")
Can you screen shot your experience and what you would expect to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/nick_van_gerwen/32/43860_2.png) [@Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://community.homey.app/u/Nick_Van_gerwen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/970 "2024-02-27T21:39:58Z")
The error is saying it can’t communicate with the device (that I have deleted and added again) and I stay on the Maintenance screen with the “Probeer te repareren” button. I can’t make a picture anymore because I did it the hard way. I deleted the group, added it again with the same devices/setting/name and just manually corrected all the flows where the deleted group was involved. ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/nick_van_gerwen/32/43860_2.png) [@Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://community.homey.app/u/Nick_Van_gerwen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/971 "2024-02-27T21:43:01Z")
I would want the error being ignored, when pushing the “probeer te repareren” button not existing devices in the group should be fully ignored - and of course you cannot select them anymore so when saving the group you end up in removing them from the group device list. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/972 "2024-02-27T21:59:32Z")
So correct me if I’m wrong what’s happening is You had a group The group had multiple devices in it One device was removed from homey When changing the values of the group you received an error saying “unable to communicate” with deleted device Sorry I only speak English was there another error also on the repair screen? ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/nick_van_gerwen/32/43860_2.png) [@Nick\_Van\_gerwen](https://community.homey.app/u/Nick_Van_gerwen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/973 "2024-02-27T22:44:10Z")
No that was the only error - but prevented any repair to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:23am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/974 "2024-02-28T10:23:36Z")
Prevented? How? What that error during the repair process or when you were using the group? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crimper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/dr.crimper/32/102300_2.png) [@Dr.Crimper](https://community.homey.app/u/Dr.Crimper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/975 "2024-03-02T14:32:36Z")
I would like a way to show if a window sensor is open and which one it is. I made a group with all my window sensors and this wil show if a sensor is activated. But I cannot see if 1 or 10 sensors is open and not which ones it is. Do you know if I can use a virtual device to show this, can the I made tell a virtual device, via a flow, what sensor was activated? Hope I makes sense, I’m really new to homey /Andreas ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/976 "2024-03-02T15:13:41Z")
If you want to see which sensor is “open” … doesn’t the sensor itself tell you that? ---
**Author:** ![Sysiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/sysiz/32/79555_2.png) [@Sysiz](https://community.homey.app/u/Sysiz)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/977 "2024-03-02T18:42:52Z")
Played bit with the app and did not manage to make it work as expected. So maybe ask 🙂 I have group of 5 wall plugs. I expect: - all goes off, if one goes off - all goes on, if one goes on Especially deriving off status is difficult with current options app provide. Is there a away to achieve this with app without extra flow wrapping everything to toggle states? ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/978 "2024-03-03T01:18:02Z")
You can set up to what ever you want in the advance options But what you’re suggesting isn’t possible with out breaking the time continuum…. If it’s off when one is off …. Then it can’t also be on if one is on …… it would require it to be both on and off at the same time … ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/0/2/02f73af3be4884c85601eca038223c60a1285f96.png) “On if all the devices are on” - makes it so if a single device is off … it will be off, like you asked. “On if any device is on” - makes it so a single device is on it will be on, like you asked ---
**Author:** ![Sysiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/sysiz/32/79555_2.png) [@Sysiz](https://community.homey.app/u/Sysiz)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 7:24am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/979 "2024-03-03T07:24:59Z")
Thanks for the answer 🙂 I can do what I mean using just a flow(maintenance nightmare), so maybe I clarify bit my question. Not sure why this breaks the time continuum - something internal for devices? Precondition: 5 wall plugs in group Use case 1:When I toggle one of the devices on, rest 4 goes on too Use case 2: When I toggle one of the devices off, rest 4 goes off too I think I would need for this new advance option or new device type to mirror on/off states within a group. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jamie/32/5274_2.png) [@Jamie](https://community.homey.app/u/Jamie)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/980 "2024-03-07T02:30:07Z")
Hmm I’m not sure what your example means? Changing the value of one device changes the value of other devices? Yeah that’s not really how the group app works - devices don’t control other devices A group can control all the devices. And the “status/value” of a group is updated by the devices in the group. But changing device value won’t affect other devices in the group … that won’t work and create infinite loops. You could do something like : “Latest” - set the group to the latest value of any devices in the group? ---
**Author:** ![Sysiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/sysiz/32/79555_2.png) [@Sysiz](https://community.homey.app/u/Sysiz)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/981 "2024-03-07T08:39:26Z")
Yes @Jamie 🙂 that’s scenario, infite loop I solved with flow by ignoring events that could cause it - like Click race by two switches. My setup currently works ok, but is hard to maintain. Need to think bit what latest value proposal would help. Let me try screenshot examples on next few days when I have time. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Cohen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/jonathan_cohen/32/32700_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Cohen](https://community.homey.app/u/Jonathan_Cohen)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/982 "2024-03-07T18:56:27Z")
@Jamie @Nick_Van_gerwen I think it it this that happens, I took a screenshot during my repair. I also had a light bulb that broke and mounted a new one, and want to go in to repair so it is added to the group again. (I took a diagnostik and sent to you also) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/1/c/1c9ef8ec5a9d737e23eba41dd8787bb2b21a03fd.png) ---
**Author:** ![Daniel\_Lofgren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/daniel_lofgren/32/1075_2.png) [@Daniel\_Lofgren](https://community.homey.app/u/Daniel_Lofgren)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/983 "2024-03-28T16:33:37Z")
Hello. I use Group app with only Hue lights and sockets with Hue without birdge and get this error. Is it something with the group app or the Hue app? Grateful for answers. ![IMG_9593](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/uploads/athom/original/3X/f/d/fd987cf81168f30a045526cf22cf151b9e0d736a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Sharkys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/sharkys/32/54029_2.png) [@Sharkys](https://community.homey.app/u/Sharkys)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 6:15am UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/984 "2024-03-29T06:15:01Z")
This is probably leftover from previously existing device, but the entry still exists in the Group but can’t be removed - developer would need to implement some additional checks upon group re-saving. ---
**Author:** ![Daniel\_Lofgren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/daniel_lofgren/32/1075_2.png) [@Daniel\_Lofgren](https://community.homey.app/u/Daniel_Lofgren)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/985 "2024-03-29T19:56:09Z")
Redone all groups, blended groups and still same problems. I am using flows and dimmers to control my groups. Is there any setting to ignore the ”info” because everything works so just enjoying info 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daniel\_Lofgren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/community.homey.app/daniel_lofgren/32/1075_2.png) [@Daniel\_Lofgren](https://community.homey.app/u/Daniel_Lofgren)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168/986 "2024-03-30T19:52:42Z")
Anyone? I cant be the only one using hue lights and group? Is it a homey error? I had no problem when using hue bridge and homey but i rather only use one bridge. [Previous page](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168.md?page=47) [Next page](https://community.homey.app/t/app-pro-group-3-2-4-stable/3168.md?page=49)